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Ken Urakawa
07-20-2007, 08:25 PM
Just saw this: http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news?slug=ki-roids071907&prov=yhoo&type=lgns.

Both Sherk and Franca tested positive after the fight. Sherk was on nandrolone, Franca was on drostanolone.

What do you think? Kind of puts an interesting spin on things.

Allen Yeh
07-21-2007, 05:47 AM
So what's going to happen to them now?

Mike ODonnell
07-21-2007, 07:00 AM
Make it all legal...problem solved.

Robb Wolf
07-23-2007, 03:45 PM
Make it all legal...problem solved.

Seriously.

Scott Kustes
07-24-2007, 05:32 AM
Make it all legal...problem solved.
Yep, not sure why it has to be a Congressional issue if grown men want to toy with their bodies.

Mike ODonnell
07-24-2007, 07:21 AM
Yep, not sure why it has to be a Congressional issue if grown men want to toy with their bodies.

Only one reason....there is profit to be made off it somehow....ban it...make it Dr perscription only....drug companies are the only ones who can make it....now it's healthy and legal through the system....plenty of kickbacks and stock ops to men in Washington....and the cycle repeats itself...

Yael Grauer
07-25-2007, 04:27 PM
Maybe it's because my buddy trains with the guy, but I'm not convinced Sherk is lying. From Wikipedia:


Urine analysis as a method of detecting nandrolone abuse has recently become somewhat controversial, following studies by the University of Aberdeen showing that the metabolite product can also show up in urine in quantities above the upper limit from a combination of high-protein diets utilising the legal nutritional supplement creatine and hard cardiovascular exercise. The reason for this unexpected result has not been determined. Another possible (though unlikely) reason for a false positive result is the consumption of beef from cattle treated with steroids including nandrolone (used in overturning the verdict against the bobsleigh racer, Lenny Paul). Heavy consumption of the essential amino acid lysine (as indicated in the treatment of cold sores) has also shown false positives in some and was cited by American Shotputter C.J. Hunter as the reason for his positive test. A final possible cause of incorrect urine test results is the presence of metabolites from other anabolic steroids. As a result of the numerous overturned verdicts, the testing procedure was reviewed by UK Sport [1] in 2000.

Greg Battaglia
07-26-2007, 05:45 PM
I can't believe that there seems to be a general agreement that steroids should be made legal, regardless of professional sports status. Baseball is already a joke because of steroids. All this would do is promote steroid use and fuel the already uber-wealthy pharmaceutical companies. What ever happened to real people working hard to accomplish something great? Do we not have enough faith in our own (human)race anymore?

Dave Van Skike
07-26-2007, 06:29 PM
I can't believe that there seems to be a general agreement that steroids should be made legal, regardless of professional sports status. Baseball is already a joke because of steroids. All this would do is promote steroid use and fuel the already uber-wealthy pharmaceutical companies. What ever happened to real people working hard to accomplish something great? Do we not have enough faith in our own (human)race anymore?

if ya ain't cheating, ya ain't trying.....

Yael Grauer
07-26-2007, 09:21 PM
if ya ain't cheating, ya ain't trying.....

If ya get caught, ya ain't trying...

Mike ODonnell
07-27-2007, 05:01 AM
Performance enhancing supplements are NOT going away....ever....as chemists will be one step ahead of the testing people....hell coffee is performance enhancing...so ban all caffeine products? Beer is performance enhancing in my golf and pool games....as I suck without it. So why not admit defeat, let everyone juice up and become giant bobble head looking players and hit HRs all over the place and have baseball scores like 34-54. So they all die at age 39...at least the general public is being entertained and distracted from anything else important.

Scott Kustes
07-27-2007, 09:22 AM
I have that little faith in professional athletes. The pursuit of money is too alluring and as MOD said, chemists are always one step ahead. Steroid testing is a reactive field...it can only test for something once it has been discovered that someone is using something new. Keeping them illegal artificially raises the prices so that only the highest paid athletes can afford them, thus creating a bigger gap between the juicers and non-juicers. The Bonds of the sports world are able to hire the best doctors and trainers and get the best "supplements," while the non-Bonds are left with GNC.

To paraphrase Charlie Francis said regarding Track and Field: "No one that is winning at this level is clean." Track and field, bicycling, baseball, football, MMA....I bet if the sports authorities drug tested every sport, they'd find rampant steroid use. Sad, but true.

Rick Deckart
07-27-2007, 01:18 PM
No offense but some hear have interesting opinions. Make it legal? Yeah. These are grown up men who agreed not to use illegal performance enhancing substances---and do it anyway. I have absolutely no respect for such behaviour, no matter how desperate these athletes are. KNOW THYSELF, if you can't do it clean either don't do it at all or have at least the dignity to loose clean. What a bunch of loosers...

All this doping this doping that, and especially the tour the farce reminds me of an amusing story. In 1976 a certain sport student named Heiner Thade contacted the german swimming federation. He offered them a totally legal performance enhancing method and got 250000 DM on the table without even stating what it was. Turned out it was air, pumped via a clyster into the bowel... Results in training were fabulous, but how to pump that air into the *** during a meet? Apparently you could not do it under the shower, so they did it in the hotel and took a taxi to the meet. Needless to say this delay produced a bunch of farting athletes who felt misserably and swam far worse than expected. That was the death of pump-the-bowel-with-air doping...

Rick Deckart
07-27-2007, 01:23 PM
No offense but some hear have interesting opinions. Make it legal? Yeah. These are grown up men who agreed not to use illegal performance enhancing substances---and do it anyway. I have absolutely no respect for such behaviour, no matter how desperate these athletes are. KNOW THYSELF, if you can't do it clean either don't do it at all or have at least the dignity to loose clean. What a bunch of loosers...

All this doping this doping that, and especially the tour the farce reminds me of an amusing story. In 1976 a certain sport student named Heiner Thade contacted the german swimming federation. He offered them a totally legal performance enhancing method and got 250000 DM on the table without even stating what it was. Turned out it was air, pumped via a clyster into the bowel... Results in training were fabulous, but how to pump that air into the *** during a meet? Apparently you could not do it under the shower, so they did it in the hotel and took a taxi to the meet. Needless to say this delay produced a bunch of farting athletes who felt misserably and swam far worse than expected. That was the death of pump-the-bowel-with-air doping...

John Vernon
07-27-2007, 02:27 PM
http://stopmikelupica.com/images/BarryBonds.jpg

Barry was a great baseball player. Steroids allowed him to prolong his career well past his prime so that he can now break Hank Aaron's record. Like Peter said, if you don't got it, you don't got it...live with it and move on.

One word for Barry's fake break...ASTERISK!! I know all the Kool-Aid drinking Giant's fans will disagree. Barry's a cheat.

Keep it pure.

Scott Kustes
07-27-2007, 05:24 PM
No offense but some hear have interesting opinions. Make it legal? Yeah. These are grown up men who agreed not to use illegal performance enhancing substances---and do it anyway. I have absolutely no respect for such behaviour, no matter how desperate these athletes are. KNOW THYSELF, if you can't do it clean either don't do it at all or have at least the dignity to loose clean. What a bunch of loosers...

All this doping this doping that, and especially the tour the farce reminds me of an amusing story. In 1976 a certain sport student named Heiner Thade contacted the german swimming federation. He offered them a totally legal performance enhancing method and got 250000 DM on the table without even stating what it was. Turned out it was air, pumped via a clyster into the bowel... Results in training were fabulous, but how to pump that air into the *** during a meet? Apparently you could not do it under the shower, so they did it in the hotel and took a taxi to the meet. Needless to say this delay produced a bunch of farting athletes who felt misserably and swam far worse than expected. That was the death of pump-the-bowel-with-air doping...
Ahh Peter, you mistake ideology with reality. Ideally, they'd all play clean. Realistically, it ain't gonna happen, so you might as well allow a level playing field. Or how about two sports leagues...one with drug users, no testing and one with non-drug users, full-scale testing. I bet you'd quickly learn 3 things: the fans prefer the more exciting drug-fueled game (although they shake their heads and claim not to, their actions speak otherwise), the money for the drug-fueled game would skyrocket, and a majority of the players would gladly put their health on the line for a few more dollars.

Besides, it's a victimless crime....or rather the only victim is s/he who takes the drugs. Frankly, I could give a rodent's rectum because I don't watch professional sports and don't care about the players. What they do to their bodies affects neither me nor my interest in their games.

John Vernon
07-28-2007, 11:00 AM
Or how about two sports leagues...one with drug users, no testing and one with non-drug users, full-scale testing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrCGYtFAQ2U

Billy_Brummel
07-28-2007, 03:15 PM
My take is that Bonds was already one of the greats before he juiced. He may have come within spitting distance of Aaron had he never juiced. His swing is what would have got him there. I'm tired of hearing that baseball has become "a joke" b/c of the roids. No one ever makes mention of the fact that in order for roids to jack up your numbers in any kind of significant way, you already need to be at an elite technique level. Some random hack in Double A will not be jumping to the major leagues and hitting 70 jacks a year simply b/c he does a couple cycles of the juice. Making roids legal would have a very slight impact on the game- the best of the best would see some serious power increases, and the Disabled List would be full on any given week. And there would be a shortage of baseball hat material due to the ridiculous increases in hat sizes. So perhaps the hat companies should get behind BALCO.

Oh yeah, if roids were legal pitchers would be enabled to throw harder without fear of sufficient recovery, so the effects for the hitters would be further negated. And there would be a great deal of depression.

This occured to me though: I would have a problem with legal roids if the rate of incidents similar to that of Chris Benoit were higher.

Also, do not let this post come across as some kind of Bonds support. Never have liked the guy, just based on pure personality.