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Danny John
11-01-2006, 07:47 AM
I invented them...the name comes from the Holy Grail studies that I spent my life's work on! My precious Intellectual Property!

http://www.crossfit.com/discus/messages/22/32190.html

Oh, and I'm not serious, but it is funny how things go both ways...

Allen Yeh
11-01-2006, 10:49 AM
I invented them...the name comes from the Holy Grail studies that I spent my life's work on! My precious Intellectual Property!

http://www.crossfit.com/discus/messages/22/32190.html

Oh, and I'm not serious, but it is funny how things go both ways...


In the immortal words of Scooby-Doo "ruh-roh..."

Steve Shafley
11-01-2006, 01:15 PM
I would reply, Dan, but my IP has been banned from that forum.

Jeremy Jones
11-01-2006, 01:32 PM
Third post:

"This is a Dan John exercise - a wonderful way to add some weight and really solidify form."

Credit is given by Jerry (the original poster).



I do think that from now on, EVERY exercise you do (whether you come up with it or not) should be called the "Dan John xxxxxx". For example, these would be called "Dan John Goblet Squats" (C) (TM).

Then you could have "Dan John Clean and Jerk", "Dan John Farmer Walks", "Dan John Tabata Front Squats".


(I am only half kidding btw).

Robb Wolf
11-01-2006, 02:02 PM
Dan! I'm on to you mister! I know this is technology you lifted from that Israeli Strength Coach while doing your stint in Haifa!! Fess Up!

Ken Urakawa
11-01-2006, 02:03 PM
It's hard to talk out of the other side of your mouth when the shoe's on the other foot....or something like that.

As an aside, we did a "Carried Away" inspired workout Saturday, with due credit given to Mr. John on the blog. But I've stolen countless ideas and inspiration from Get Up! and the various forums I visit. Please accept my Tabata (tm) workout tonight as penance...

Danny John
11-01-2006, 07:09 PM
Robb, you are on to me.

For the record, from now on...I will bore all of you with the history of each and everything I do in training.

Today, we did a thing called the "Double Eagle" which at least three coaches and an athlete had a part in inventing.

That's how most of this stuff happens, you all know.

Intellectual Property...if I start reading back issues of Muscle and Fitness, does that mean I stole Joe Weider's IP? I have been afraid to go to movies because I read Entertainment Weekly and I think I have to stand up during a movie and comment that "I am here because of a favorable review in EW. It was on page 64 of the recent edition."

IP...my precious...

Ken Urakawa
11-01-2006, 08:40 PM
*picturing Dan John, hunched over, stroking a discus..."My Precious....tabata tabata"

Robb Wolf
11-02-2006, 01:50 PM
Dan-
I'm going to have Greg add an edition of Endnote to the software so we can document all this stuff. Nice and neat like.

Yael Grauer
11-02-2006, 02:54 PM
I noticed that somebody mentioned Clubbells™ without giving proper attribution to Scott™ Sonnon™ or CST®. Sorry, I just couldn't resist. :)™

Jeremy Jones
11-02-2006, 03:17 PM
There is nothing more American than the use of the TM and (C).


God Bless America.TM

Danny John
11-03-2006, 07:00 AM
Yes, and now I see that Gary Valentine is being attacked for disagreeing with not agreeing with the general agreement that we all should agree with everything that is everything.

I should have warned Gary about posting...

I also invented the Flying Hungarian Double Leg Tricep Twist...but no one ever calls me out on that. (Trademark)

Allen Yeh
11-03-2006, 09:59 AM
I also invented the Flying Hungarian Double Leg Tricep Twist...but no one ever calls me out on that. (Trademark)

I think I've seen that on the WWE.....

In regard to the attacks...I think Jerry is being defensive of his "people" not saying right or wrong but enough about drama and onto questions on the actual exercise.

What do you think of the points being brought up about the goblet squat? I really liked how simple it was when you taught it to our class in DC in January and I've since then passed on the knowledge in an effort to teach people how to squat. In your experience with your HS'ers and athletes is what Gary Valentine says about the promoting slumping and/or thoracic kyphosis? I guess I haven't used them with people in a large number setting so I've never noticed any problems in that regard?

Danny John
11-03-2006, 10:29 AM
Gary's point might be valid...but who are we kidding? The issue with squats is the hips and the depth and the bar and the...

I can fix Gary's point when I hand you the PVC.

Whenever I visit the forum (the "other" one)...usually when someone mentions that I was mentioned...I miss what once was...

Lots of quality people don't go there anymore and the fun people...Shaf...have been banned. I am still mentioned as a moderator in one section...which is funny: I don't believe in moderation. It is like lukewarm tea. Revelation even takes a shot at it!

Will Tagye
11-03-2006, 11:51 AM
Hey Dan! It is good to see your name and Goblet Squats together. In fact after you showed us those in DC I use them quite often.

Multiple rounds of goblet quats mixed with sprints and swings as you have suggested is a great workout.

If you really want to be nasty you can do B2B Tabata goblet squats. But of course that is just plain mean and I would never do such a thing.

-Will

Robb Wolf
11-03-2006, 05:40 PM
We use Goblets and "sack of potatoes" On a daily basis to help reinforce various elements of both the squat, DL and the OL’s. They are simple and they work.

I think the topic of "when to say when" with regards to allowing form deterioration in a session is very interesting. John Davies (renegade training) Charles Poliquin as a short list insist on PERFECT technique, even in met-con sessions. Personally I think you want to achieve as much output with as perfect of form as possible. The argument that great adapations lie even in the compromised form arena may be true but would output a year, five years and 20 years down the road be even better if movements are curtailed when form degrades past a given point? Not sure and this is the stuff of epic pissing matches but I think it's a very interesting and important point for anyone coaching or training people. Pushing someone to create form deterioration can be instructive and an important part of training. Making deteriorating form THE point of training (faster times, greater loads…) I have not found to be particularly helpful.

Greg Everett
11-03-2006, 06:09 PM
i concur with my esteemed colleague... I have yet to be impressed with any products of deteriorating form for the sake of shaving a few seconds off of a metabolic workout. those with well developed technique (in particular the o-lifts and variations) are able to push the metCon way further than anyone who goes the other route, i.e. push the metCon and then develop the form. Long term repetition of shitty form just further engrains those motor patterns, which then become habits to UNlearn before you can learn the right ones. Seems to me learning them first, and getting them squared away before dropping them into a high-fatigure situation is wise.

Steve Shafley
11-03-2006, 06:58 PM
That place was dead, anyway.

Danny John
11-04-2006, 07:37 PM
Shaf, in the immortal words of John Belushi in Animal House:

"It ain't over until I say it is over."

I gave it the nine months that my therapist (Gary/Rev GJ) told me to give it.

It will be subtle. But ugly...