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kevin mckay
11-10-2006, 08:28 AM
I have been eating Paleo for about a year and am very very consistent however haloween weekend I ate like a maniac the whole nine yards 100% off the program cookies candy cupcakes donuts and since then have had extreme joint and muscle pain in my hands and forearms to the point where one push up is excruciating what the hell is this? I figured it would go away in a day or to but every morning I wake up and my hands are stiff. I am starting to get a little worried WTF? Anyway to get rid of this more quickly? Anybody have anything like this happen to them?

Robb Wolf
11-10-2006, 12:19 PM
Hey Kevin-
spiked insulin can make the joints cranky. You may have a serious gluten sensitivity...I guess no more binge-o-rammas? Are you taking fish oil?

Steve Shafley
11-10-2006, 01:10 PM
increased full body inflammation load.

kevin mckay
11-10-2006, 06:37 PM
I have doubled my fish oil intake to 2 tablespoons a day is that enough? I guess this was almost like an allergic reaction? Do you build up a gluten tolerance when you eat it regularly so then when you stop then have it again it is intense? How long do you think it might take to clear? This is really strange, never had anything like this before.

Yael Grauer
11-10-2006, 09:34 PM
I'd be curious to know whether or not you ever eat gluten again. Please report back in a few weeks or months. I'm trying the same thing with chocolate right now. I ate so much chocolate today that it felt too chocolatey (the 87% chocolate made me want to puke) and now I feel sick whenever I think about chocolate. It's only been a few hours though. I was inspired by a book by an anthropologist--apparently they do this in psychology all the time. It is called paradoxical reconditioning. I am hoping it lasts.

Last time I ate wheat (just one bagel!) I got INCREDIBLY depressed for a few hours until I realized I could have some fish oil--which fixed it up. It made me wonder whether I had a low-level depression all the time which I didn't notice when I was eating wheat all the time.

I'm sure it'll go away soon. One of my long-term house guests had a serious gluten allergy and insisted on eating bread anyway :rolleyes: and he would feel it for about 4 or 5 days (most strongly the first 1-3 days). Probably didn't eat as much as you did though. There are a ton of research studies on joint pain and celiac disease (which I suspect he has) I could look for if you want--they are on my other computer.

Robb Wolf
11-11-2006, 07:12 AM
Kevin-
Fish oil intake is fine. AS to how long till it resolves...tough to tell. In Paleo terms I'd file this in the "bad snake bite" category and generally avoid that stuff and wheat in particular.

kevin mckay
11-23-2006, 07:06 AM
This is still going strong could it be gout from all the meat? I am at like 16% bf eat tons of meat but also tons of veggies and fruit. I hope this is just a gluten allergy that is taking a long time to go away. I am only 38 to young for arthritis (I hope) and never heard of it coming on so fast. Any ideas?

Allison Barns
11-28-2006, 04:18 PM
Hi all! Newbie here spouting off her 'infinite' knowledge :D

Kevin - I was diagnosed with gluten intolerance in 1998. From what I've learned it does not "go away" but some folks can improve their ability to handle gluten. Personally, avoiding gluten was the answer to a host of 'mysterious' ailments. Although it's a pain in the hiney, the benefits of avoiding gluten far, far, far outweigh the discomfort of temptation for me (imagine someone using your intestines for a punching bag for a week or so :eek: ). I think it would be worth investigating. Apparently many people are gluten intolerant and don't know it. I believe I was intolerant for many years before diagnosis.

Robb - (1) "spiked insulin can make the joints cranky" How does that work? Inflammation? (2) What's a Paleo "bad snake bite"? (3) Dave W. at CrossFitNorth says you know your stuff :)

Thanks!
Allison

kevin mckay
11-28-2006, 05:31 PM
Yeah I am 100% gluten free and have been 99% for about a year just fell off the wagon on haloween weekend but it has been almost a month so I am starting to wonder if an allergic reaction can last that long. I went to see my do and got some blood work done to rule out uric acid problems and arthritis. I will post the results.

Allison Barns
11-28-2006, 09:23 PM
Kevin,
Have you looked into other food intolerances? Also, I have found that the longer I am gluten (and dairy) free my reactions are more marked in symptoms and intensity. Sort of like my body is saying "Exactly which part of 'NO' don't you understand!!!!?!!" Anyway, that's my experience. Good luck with finding the answer!

kevin mckay
11-28-2006, 11:40 PM
"Have you looked into other food intolerances?"

The only other potential thing is a multi vitamin I stopped taking that Sunday so we will see how it goes this week

"Also, I have found that the longer I am gluten (and dairy) free my reactions are more marked in symptoms and intensity. Sort of like my body is saying "Exactly which part of 'NO' don't you understand!!!!?!!" Anyway, that's my experience."

I think you are totally on the money and I hope it is true in this case as well, because if it is arthritis that would really suck.

kevin mckay
03-18-2007, 08:46 AM
I went to a specialist and found out it was a virus, so if you feel like you are getting arthritis it may go away in 6 months, weird but operantly not uncommon.

Frank Needham
03-18-2007, 12:58 PM
Glad to hear that cleared up Kevin, arthritis sucks, at any age.