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Mike Jones
01-09-2008, 08:06 PM
Hi Everyone,

My name is Mike and I'm new to these boards. I just spent the last 3/4 days reviewing everything on these boards (while, as much as I could!!!). I just recently bought Pavel T's Power to the People. In it, he says that doing two Oly lifts (deadlift and sidepress as you all already know) will build unbelievable strength and definition. I love the strength aspect, but I would also like to increase muscle definition. Do these strength excercises really form you into an "out of planet rock" (quoting Pavel)? Can I expect body composition changes- if so, what kind?

I am 160 pounds- 6 feet tall. I am a soccer player and don't want to add any more bulk to my frame. My goals are two fold- first and foremost- increase strength. Secondly- increase muscular definition without adding mass (think the builds of David Beckham and the late Brandon Lee). Am I able to achieve my goals using PTP program minimum of 2 sets of 5 using the 2 excercises 5 days a week?

Thanks for your help!!!

Mike

Jay Cohen
01-10-2008, 02:37 AM
Muscle def is made in the kitchen, muscle strength in the gym.
If you did read most of the posts(in all threads), you'll see extensive discussion on diet. If not, consider reading them.

1. Lift heavy objects from the floor overhead
2. Eat like a horse or just eat the horse.
BTW, if you find Grass Fed horse, let me know.

Good Luck, welcome aboard.

Garrett Smith
01-10-2008, 05:36 AM
Jay said it all right there.

Don't believe the hype that any type of exercise "magically" burns more fat than any others, no matter what the folks who publish the large-print, over-sized books tell you.

Mike ODonnell
01-10-2008, 07:58 AM
Just repeating what has been said above....

Muscle definition = Lower Bodyfat to see muscles
Low Bodyfat = Eating the right way

Mike Jones
01-10-2008, 09:39 AM
Just repeating what has been said above....

Muscle definition = Lower Bodyfat to see muscles
Low Bodyfat = Eating the right way

Thanks everyone for your replies! Yep, diet is in check. I eat all the right things, read all the posts about that. I know about the low bodyfat. Just wondering of the actual PTP does what it says it does- build incredible definition using only 2 Oly lifts?

Mike ODonnell
01-10-2008, 09:56 AM
Just wondering of the actual PTP does what it says it does- build incredible definition using only 2 Oly lifts?

Because he wants to sell more books!

I would imagine any big compound movement lifts when done with enough intensity and weight will stimulate max GH response pwo and lead to greater fat loss.

Garrett Smith
01-10-2008, 10:59 AM
Personally, based on the results I've been achieving since starting the CA WOD, I think that the combination of heavy snatches & C&J plus some metcon GPP burn fat at an insane rate compared to either one alone or PTP's two slow lifts.

More power output = higher neuroendocrine response. Combine that with making sure to avoid excessively stressful training (ie. too competitive all the time that shoots cortisol through the roof) and you have a great recipe.

I do believe that Pavel gives about one sentence lip service to diet towards the very end of the book, something along the line of eating meat and veggies to lean out. What a concept!

John Alston
01-10-2008, 12:38 PM
Just wondering of the actual PTP does what it says it does- build incredible definition using only 2 Oly lifts?

Pick up some heavy crap already. Whattaya want, a money back guarantee?

Mike Jones
01-12-2008, 03:16 PM
Pick up some heavy crap already. Whattaya want, a money back guarantee?

No, Just some guidance from the people of this forum as to what to expect from the excercises and how it will help me achieve some goals. Sorry for bothering you.

Gant Grimes
01-15-2008, 01:18 PM
Mike, several people have offered guidance, but you're missing it.

PTP is fine. So are any number of programs designed to promote the growth of lean mass. But NONE of these will improve your body composition without proper nutrition. If you are truly interested in leaning up, visit the nutrition forums, ask questions, and post up your daily menu. Chances are, your diet isn't as clean as you think it is (not criticizing because mine damn sure isn't). Why would you not want to learn more?

That said, yes, there is something about the Olympic lifts that do good things for your physique. You don't need any evidence beyond a google image search of different athletes. Start here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dehwang/).

Lift heavy things over your head in one or two movements. Eat things that were once alive, preferably things that swam or ran.

Greg Everett
01-15-2008, 03:24 PM
Mike - I think (hope) John was being sarcastic. Don't take it personally.

Will PTP work? Possibly. It's a legit program. But the only way you'll find out if it works for you is to try it. Give it a legit chance for several weeks or so and see what happens. Then you can report here how it went and help the next guy who is curious.

Dave Paton
01-15-2008, 08:32 PM
I heard Flickr was outlawed in China. Unfortunately there hasn't been any new pics in a long time. Damn Communists!

John Alston
01-16-2008, 07:03 AM
It wasn't exactly sarcasm from me...
This is a great forum where people share a lot of help and advice, but in the end, what Mike needs to do is start his routine and see what happens. Pavel is a known "fitness celebrity" and his works are reviewed all over the internet.
I'm just saying, asking for some advice is cool, and people here like to give it. But talk is cheap, speculating about what a program might do isn't actually doing it, and nobody gets huge/really strong/shredded without working hard for it (stop worrying about putting on too much bulk already).
So maybe I come more from the "shuttup and do it already" school than most people here, but I also think that most people here know my comments are generally made with good spirit.
Mike, as a new guy, you might not have known that, but now you do. Lift some crap, eat well, and post some results!

Arden Cogar Jr.
01-16-2008, 11:52 AM
I've ran the full gammet in regards to training the past 25 years. I started in powerlifting, then went to bodybuilding, then lamented and tried to be a power bodybuilder wanting to become better at his sport/hobby.

Then I ran into a lot of the folk in this site over at xfit. Since that time I've incorporated the oly movements, kettlebells, and met con style training (my sport). Actually used my sport training as met con - doing tabata sprints, etc.

I've lost a lot of bodyfat, held my weight pretty constant, and gotten way stronger than I was when I was powerlifting/bodybuilding/power bodybuilding. But what's more important to me is that I'm older and nothing hurts the way it used to. Heavy weights day in day out is brutal on the joints. I had no concept of periodization when I was training until I became part of these communities.

If I could go back and do it again, I would have started the olympic lifts and kettlebell lifting during my teens. I would have bought myself some bumper plates, a few good bars, some squat stands/power rack/or adjustable blocks, built a platform, and a full compliment of kettlebells.

Knowing what I know now, I could have built myself into something more or less than what I am now. Either way, I know I'd be a better athlete and I'd be fitter. But I'm sure we could all say that to some extent. Just takes a while to figure out what works best for us.

All the best,
Arden

Mike Jones
01-16-2008, 12:44 PM
Thanks for the replies everyone. Seems like the consensus is to give it a go and see. My diet is pretty clean as I just dropped about 30 pounds and am about 158 pounds at 5'11. Want to get stronger and build some definition. I'll give PTP a go as outlines and report back.

Garrett Smith
01-16-2008, 04:25 PM
I think you'll do well on PTP for a good while, eat lots of meat and veggies and no skimping on the good fats!

Dave Paton
01-16-2008, 07:47 PM
I followed PTP for 3 months about 6 years ago. I had success with it. However, I modified it.

Mohamed F. El-Hewie
01-24-2008, 05:40 PM
Because he wants to sell more books!

I would imagine any big compound movement lifts when done with enough intensity and weight will stimulate max GH response pwo and lead to greater fat loss.

Vasely Alexeev, the famous weightlifter, did not incur great fat loss, despite his intensive heavy lifting.

http://www.lift-4-life.com/phpbb/userpix/2_alexeev_1.jpg

Mohamed F. El-Hewie

Mike ODonnell
01-24-2008, 06:01 PM
Vasely Alexeev, the famous weightlifter, did not incur great fat loss, despite his intensive heavy lifting.

I'm guessing he ate like a sumo wrestler too.....exercise is only a good stimulus for fat loss if the diet is on....and eating twinkies with a gallon of milk is probably not going to get anyone a six pack....unless it was Bud Light while he was out getting his milk and twinkies.

Greg Everett
01-24-2008, 07:22 PM
Vasely Alexeev, the famous weightlifter, did not incur great fat loss, despite his intensive heavy lifting.

http://www.lift-4-life.com/phpbb/userpix/2_alexeev_1.jpg

Mohamed F. El-Hewie

Yeah... superheavies aren't exactly the right guys to use as examples. Their nutrition intentionally far exceeds need - they're essentially trying to gain weight their entire careers. Their body comp really isn't a reflection in any way of the training.

Derek Simonds
01-25-2008, 07:16 AM
Body comp aside that "fat bastardo" (quoting John A) can flat out lift!

Mohamed F. El-Hewie
01-26-2008, 05:49 AM
Yeah... superheavies aren't exactly the right guys to use as examples. Their nutrition intentionally far exceeds need - they're essentially trying to gain weight their entire careers. Their body comp really isn't a reflection in any way of the training.
You made my point. That is hormones, such as the Growth Hormone, are not the sole players in burning and depositing fat.

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Mohamed F. El-Hewie