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Jonathan Reik
11-21-2006, 06:18 PM
Has anyone seen this video? It purports to show exercises that Archuleta used in training to increase his power, speed and strength: "displays the workouts that allowed him to build his musculature and increase his speed". The preview shows him doing various non-standard plyometric drills - depth jumps from a platform and landing in a lunge, plyometric full-body pushups, etc. Looks like good stuff, pertinent to those of us with a "power bias" - can anyone recommend it?

http://www.arpprogram.com/resources/video/archuleta_freak.html

Coach Rutherford
11-22-2006, 08:36 AM
I can recommend it IF you are super freaky gifted and have an amazing strength base. I've watched the DVD and my jaw hit the ground a few times. Athletes pulling off these kinds of workouts are very rare.

Steve Shafley
11-22-2006, 10:53 AM
Jay Schroeder is extremely evasive with his training ideas and programming.

I think it's a selection of the fittest, i.e. those who can do the training thrive. Alas, most of us are somewhat less than that, and have to accomodate accordingly.

Scott Kustes
11-22-2006, 12:00 PM
Ok, now the 180 degree pushup thing was cool.

Greg Everett
11-22-2006, 01:35 PM
it's an interesting DVD, but it's lacking in terms of practical, applicable info... and like others have said, it selects for some extremely well-developed and highly adaptable athletes. but i think there are some ideas that can certainly be taken away from it. put it on your list, just not at the top.

Neal Winkler
11-22-2006, 06:27 PM
What should be at the top of the list?

Ryan Atkins
11-23-2006, 09:42 PM
Hey everyone,

I tried showing my brother this clip when we celebrated our turkey day, but it looks like the site is no longer accessible (or wasn't when I tried, at least). This prompted me to do a search for it. I found another video clip here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzf4sAcRC-k

Better still, it looks like it may be possible to download the entire video for free as part of a 7 day free trial:

https://secure.totalvid.com/subscription/orderCollection.cfm?intMediaIdnt=57223934

There are some other vids on that site (BJJ, Krav, etc.) but I don't know if they're good or not.

Hope this helps,

Ryan

Robb Wolf
11-25-2006, 12:31 PM
I interviewed Jay Schroeder over a year ago...asked Rutman, Coach burgner and Dan John for questions...and its un-publishable. He refuses to provide any examples of training or templates. I understand they use some blocks of intensification (high volume+hihg intenstiy) to promote supercompensation...I will dig that intervieew up and post it here...its not up to pub standards but there is some interesting stuff in it.

Steve Shafley
11-25-2006, 08:45 PM
Yeah.

There were a whole lot of folks who went to see Schroeder speak at some seminar on the east coast (Boston maybe, I read this over at Mike Boyle's forum) and there were some seriously goofy things he said.

If I get a chance, I'll see if I can look them up.

Steve Shafley
11-26-2006, 01:14 PM
Here's the thread regarding Schroeder:

http://www.michaelboyle.biz/forum/viewtopic.php?t=460&highlight=schroeder

Carl Valle says this, which heats up the discussion:

When Mark was brought up by myself at the Holy Cross seminar the response was clear that Jay didn't do much since Mark quickly retired soon after. Working with and producing is a different matter. Jay simply screamed at people during the seminar that did not agree with his raw egg(5 dozen eggs at least) and milk diet, that isometric lunges could increase your golf game 30 yards, or that you must bench 4 hours a day.

He might be the greatest strenth coach in the world but for 3 hours he said that iso extremes are all you need - and you can get women to loose 100 pounds in one month from isometric work. All day that was the information he was giving out.

I am not saying that Jay is a fraud but as guy that paid money and drove to the lovely worcester area I was not impressed by the information. Maybe he isn't a presenter and that is ok...but give me something to bring home. I came to learn and was very patient with him when he told stories for an hour at the start. Bobbyt, you can see why people get frustrated.

Carl can be a bit acidic, at times, but he's a straight shooter and a clear thinker.

Neal Winkler
11-26-2006, 03:44 PM
Has anyone had any luck downloading from that site? It always says, "Sorry, we had a problem delivering your license." The tech person for their site I've been talking to can't figure it out either.

thomas beasley
11-27-2006, 10:47 AM
Neal, how is the tech problem going?

Neal Winkler
11-27-2006, 12:40 PM
Negative. I've tried a couple videos and none of them work for me.

Ryan Atkins
11-27-2006, 07:16 PM
Hey Neal,

Have you tried using IE7 at all? The techie may have already covered this, but somewhere in the download process I remember seeing a note about how their setup is supposed to me most compatible with that web browser. Also, you may want to adjust your browser settings. I know that when I download the videos (27 successfully, so far) I'm always receiving a prompt asking me whether I want to allow the download or not. It's possible that certain settings within your browser may be set to automatically reject the process without a prompt.

Hope this helps,

Ryan

Robb Wolf
11-28-2006, 01:04 PM
Hey everybody-
This is the interview I did about a year ago. I intended to put it in the PM but some of the answers are...nebulous IMO. I thought about a follow-up but it has not been ubber appealing to me. Anyway, here is th einterview:

Jay Schroeder interview

1-Coach can you share with our readers your background both athletically and coaching?

I have participated in football, track and field, velodrome cycling and powerlifting throughout the years. I have been training and designing training plans for the past 26 years. I have worked with a variety of groups in hospital programs, including the following: exercise programs for psych patients, diabetic patients, grossly obese patients, and long term bedridden patients. I have worked with all types of athletes in sport including but not limited to, archery, distance cycling, distance running, triathalon, throwers, sprinters, baseball, football, badminton, bodybuilding, martial arts, volleyball, rugby, powerlifting, Olympic lifting, etc.
I prefer to work with high velocity and speed-strength activities, as velocity is the most elusive and coveted of all human traits.

2-Your approach to strength & conditioning is quite radical compared to the mainstream with your emphasis on explosiveness and training the ability to receive and absorb loads (external forces?). How did you come to this methodology?

Obviously, all I had to do was look at human movement and I immediately knew this was the direction I must go.

Who has influenced your work (athletes such as Olympic lifters? Specific coaches?).

Only three athletes have influenced me, Valeri Borzov, Jim Thorpe, and Jesse Owens. As far as coaches, Dr. Yessis, has had a major influence on my thinking, not that I agree with his methodologies, but during the many times I met and spoke with him, he created a desire in me to investigate philosophies and methodologies. To pursue what others are afraid to delve into, as the answers are never on the surface, you must dig deep. You must understand not only the meaning of the words experts and athletes used, but their understanding of their use of the words they write and or speak. He nurtured my initial thoughts and feelings so they may be manifested in my system of training. I will always be thankful for this. I consider myself very lucky to have been able to talk with, exchange ideas, and to listen to his words when he would describe situations, involved with training the many elite athletes he has been with.
Another person with a great influence on my career was my mentor Robert Plenty. Without his insight to human performance, I would not be who I am today.
Possibly the most important person, is one I only met 6 years ago. Denis Thompson. He is more like my brother than a colleague or friend. There are sometimes 6 hour conversations late into the night, where we never run out of intelligent, stimulating questions for each other and intelligent and stimulating answers. My system is years down the road from what people see and read about, thanks to my tremendous relationship with Denis.



How has it evolved over time?

Very difficult to say as every human I work with causes evolution to take place. I mention human specifically as I also train dogs for performance.




3-Do you view the Olympic lifts and gymnastics as compatible with your goals of teaching whole-body explosiveness?

I do not consider the Olympic lifts or any sport as having the ability to prepare one to be an elite athlete. I do not consider most people that participate in sport as athletes.

4-How do you approach the training of a novice? Do you address specific areas such as metabolic conditioning, and limit strength individually or do you take an integrated approach? Can you share with our readers a few weeks of programming that would typify a young, generally healthy novice?

5-Similar to question 4 how to you address the needs of your most advanced athletes? How much focus is placed on continued strength/power development? How does this differ from a novice and what standards do you use to monitor and implement changes to programming? What would 2 weeks of training look like for one of your advanced strength athletes?

I approach training anyone, in the exact same manner, no matter what level they claim to be. I evaluate the parameters that I view as being important to the final outcome [performing at high velocity, absorbing high loads, as injury free as is possible, and duplicating this result over and over], determine how their specific parameters inter-relate and intra-relate to the desired outcome. I then make decisions on what I have influence over and what I do not. I do not care what the relationship of all human traits are as long as they can be manipulated to create the correct outcome.

6-How do you address metabolic conditioning and work capacity for various athletes football, wrestling, and volley ball for example? How do you keep athletes in low grade over training to elicit a strong super-compensation?

I train all aspects of humans, as each and everyone is important to the final outcome. I believe that if stimulated in the correct manner at the appropriate time all these little things take care of themselves. I do not care the sport in which they participate, as we all need everything that comprises a human being to create elite performance. If anything is left out then true elite performance is not obtained. So that you know “Elite Performance” to me means, the highest level, most correct, and repeatable response to a stimulus that the specific individual can achieve. Not just better than ones peers.

What are you looking for with regards to the athletes physiology and performance?

The end.

7-Do you have any “rules of thumb” that if implemented would make people better strength coaches?

Yes, I suppose one. “Do not expect what you do not inspect”

8-What are your nutritional recommendations for athletes who need to gain muscle mass and or loose bodyfat to be more competitive? How do you structure training to compliment nutrition to these ends?

This is done based on specific response to very specific stimuli.


Are there any populations that would be inappropriate for this type of training or is it universally scalable?

Yes, there is one. Those that are not willing to sacrifice to the same level they wish to achieve, and that do not expect to perform to the highest level in all aspects. [intellect, spirituality, emotion, psychologically, and of course physiologically].

Jonas Lind
11-28-2006, 03:38 PM
You did right not publishing that. A bit weird.

Steve Shafley
11-28-2006, 07:35 PM
Heh.

Yeah...par for the course.

Schroeder claims he's the greatest S&C coach in the world, after Anatoli Bondarchuk.

Neal Winkler
11-29-2006, 08:10 AM
Ryan, I've been using firefox, but I don't think the problem is in my browser. The videos download just fine, but when I open them up in windows media player it asks me to log in, then I do and it says, "We're sorry, there was a problem with delivering your license," or something like that.

Neal Winkler
11-29-2006, 08:13 AM
Re: Schroeder interview

Huh? Ever heard of "elaboration?" And what kind of answer is "the end?"

Ron Nelson
11-29-2006, 10:34 AM
So, when he answered, "The end," was he talking about looking forward to the end of training someone, or the end of the interview?

Just kidding you Robb.

I read the entire thread Steve linked. I found it fascinating in a "train wreck" sort of way. As the philosopher Dan Silver says, "Other people's drama is always interesting."

Robb Wolf
11-29-2006, 01:30 PM
It's a bummer. I think he has some good stuff...just not sharing it.

Ben Kaminski
11-30-2006, 10:59 AM
I couldn't help but laugh at the comment about training dogs. Not that training dogs is funny, but the phrasing of the comment was.

Seriously though, I agree with the coach's belief that velocity is the "most coveted" aspect of fitness. I suppose that belief can be interpreted different ways, but with reference to the training video it makes sense.