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Pierre Auge
11-30-2006, 11:36 AM
So if you aren't aware I got hit by a car while riding my bike this past monday, after inflicting considerable damage to the car, doing first aid on myself, taking control of the situation and getting myself to the hospital I didn't feel half bad.

None of the areas which came into contact with the car have any soreness or pain of any kind. But here's the kicker, about 2 hours prior I did CrossFit's "On the Minute Pull-Up" workout if you know what I'm talking about. Now since the morning after the accident I have been feeling like I've done about 8000 pull-ups, my lats are swollen, and I have some terrible elbow tendonitis and forearm swelling.

I feel great other than the fact that I feel like a guy who spent 2 days doing max sets of max pull-ups. I am thinking that whether it was a GTO response or not when I received the impact the force affected my previously worked muscles in a way I wish they hadn't.

Been soaking in cold water, icing, doing some pnf strectching to prevent shortening because I'm having a hard time straightening my arms. Opinions...

Derek Simonds
11-30-2006, 01:10 PM
The only opinion I have is "That Sucks"!

Any bike-car accident where you perform the first responder duties and still are able to walk out of the hospital with minimal injuries is a win in some way.

I ask this like a true bicyclist, was your bike trashed?

I wonder if the soreness is some weird combination of adrenaline, lactic acid and extreme muscle tension during the accident.

Best of luck Pierre

Pierre Auge
11-30-2006, 07:28 PM
I ask this like a true bicyclist, was your bike trashed?

I wonder if the soreness is some weird combination of adrenaline, lactic acid and extreme muscle tension during the accident.



Derek, no the bike is not completely trashed just the rear wheel and the chain from what I can tell.

And I think my soreness which continues to get worse as well as the swelling, is a result a combination of all of the things you mentioned as of a severe GTO response. But I think I may start taking some anti inflamatories because I can barely straighten my arms and my lats keep swelling which actually looks pretty cool but makes me feel like a useless bodybuilder!

Allison Barns
11-30-2006, 07:36 PM
I'll second Derek...That Sucks!!

Take care of yourself!
Allison

(for the 'unschooled' among us - what's GTO?)

Pierre Auge
11-30-2006, 09:27 PM
Golgi Tendon Organ, its the means by which your body tells your muscles in most cases to either contract with all their might or relax completely in the event of crisis. It has other functions that I don't fully understand but that should be the jist of it. I'm SURE Robb, Greg or someone else more educated than I can correct me if I'm wrong or at least elaborate on the subject further if they so choose.

I'm not so schooled myself to be honest..... I am fixin' on doin' some book lernen event-uly!

I know two things real well though, workin out real hard, and shooten things eh...

Allison Barns
11-30-2006, 11:14 PM
Thanks Pierre.
Get well soon!

Mike ODonnell
12-01-2006, 06:31 AM
You could always hang out at Golds and talk to the women on the treadmills until your lats go down.

Seriously though, get better. I played 4 full hockey games (not the same as a car hitting me...but felt like it) in 48hrs last weekend and the next day I could barely walk. I found hot/cold showers helped. Definitely felt like an overload on my system. Not sure if fasting helps in a case like that....taking the stress off digestion and letting that energy be used for healing is a good thing, but I also imagine your body is craving minerals and vitamins...so maybe juice fasting? Or just fruits and veg?

Pierre Auge
12-01-2006, 06:36 AM
was fasting all yesterday, drank tons of water, also had to report for duty over at the reserve unit so it was a rough day. I personaly don't prescribe to juice consumption, I have a very low tolerance for glycemic load, in fact in my 2x12 hypertrophy zone that I'm doing right now I've replaced the carbs intake with protein and fat blocks and have a 45gram per day carb intake.

So really it doesn't look like the zone in any way what so ever.... Other than my portion control is by use of blocks. It would technically be a MetDiet I guess... Hmmmmmm my bad.

Robb Wolf
12-01-2006, 01:17 PM
Hey Pierre Take care amigo. Rhabdo could have been looming with the impact from both the car and pull-ups. Bad stuff.

Pierre Auge
12-01-2006, 07:24 PM
Robb,
Holly crap, I didn't clue in yesterday when I used the men's room but I did have some very dark urine, though I feel much better today. I think I'll be ok at this point but I'm going to keep an eye on it because kidney dialosis is the last thing I need right now....

Pierre Auge
12-03-2006, 09:53 AM
Close call but I'm fine! The doc said the diagnoses was pretty spot on but that it was only a very mild case.... nothing to worry about!

Robb Wolf
12-03-2006, 12:18 PM
Millitary recruits and auto accident victims are the two top categories of rhabdo cases to my knowledge. CrossFit is likely a third category and you seem to have elements of all three of those populations! Glad you are ok.

Greg Everett
12-04-2006, 07:22 AM
pierre - for future reference, when your urine looks like red wine, time to go to the doctor. get better.

allison - GTOs are proprioceptors in the musculotendinous junction--they fire off electrical signals to the spinal cord in regards to tension in the muscle in question. when that tension reaches a certain threshold, they cause inhibition of the motor neurons in that muscle to reduce the tension, presumably to prevent injury from excessive tension. they're basically mechanical opposites of muscle spindles/intrafusal fibers, which initiate the myotatic reflex, i.e. respond to rapid stretching of a muscle with an involuntary contraction of that muscle.

Pierre Auge
12-04-2006, 09:21 PM
Greg,
thank you for that, I figured someone smarter than I would come to the rescue on the GTO subject! And ahhhhhh ya, the laps of judgement on the urine thing thankfully didn't cost me too much, for which I am thankful. I like my kidneys thanks, I should have known better, I know the symptoms well enough.

I guess I have to get to know them a bit better yet.

I know I'm stepping into this one but I still can't pull on anything with any kind of effect. Dudes, ladies I'm sorry no matter how I worded that it was going to sound wrong! My point being that I didn't train much this summer because I was on the road so much and had begun to fall into piss poor state of conditioning. So now taking it easy in order to heal while I have all the time in the world to train is going to drive me nuts...

I take solice in this one fact, my squats which were once PISS POOR. Are now not quite as piss poor! I have back squat 112kg and front squat 110, which is far better than I had previously been able to do. For a while my FS was better than my BS.

I will take a week off and just eat like an idiot, after which point I will ween myself back into the heavy lifting and wods!

Allison Barns
12-04-2006, 10:28 PM
Greg,
Thanks for the GTO definition. Still a bit above my head, but now I have some words to look up :D

Robb - I'm curious about the rhabdo -auto accident connection. Can you point me anywhere I can read more? (I had 2 severe whiplash injuries in 1993. No rhabdo (I believe) but off/on wicked back spasms and sensitivity to my electrolytes being off ever since -- just wondering about this.

Thanks!

Robb Wolf
12-06-2006, 11:36 AM
Allison-
Poke around medline a bit with rhabdo as a search term. Typically this is from a crushing injury but impact trauma (like Pierre's) can be similar in that a large amount of tissue dies and releases myoglobin into the blood. Bad things follow.

Whiplash can really mess things up. If you buy into chiropractic theory at all deranged nerve function could alter kidney function. This is a little out there for me but who knows.

Allison Barns
12-06-2006, 05:23 PM
Robb-
Thanks for the info!

"Whiplash can really mess things up."
Yessir it sure as crap can!