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Margie Lempert
02-26-2008, 06:10 PM
I've spent several years studying various nutritional approaches and have a fairly decent level of understanding about Zone and paleo and their various iterations. I have been working on a paleo diet for 3 or 4 weeks, with more and less attention to Zone macro intake. I am definitely a paleo convert.

There is, however, this burning question I have about Zone proportions: not all proteins are created equal in terms of fat. An egg has far more fat than 1 ounce of chicken breast. However, it seems that in every sample meal I read, fattier proteins are treated the same as leaner proteins; an egg based meal still typically has added fat. Same with cheese (if you do dairy), or fattier cuts of meat.

Can someone explain this to me? What am I missing?

Also, I tend to look at the sum total of my macro intake for the day, rather than meal by meal. It seems more practical sometimes. Any thoughts on that approach?

John Alston
02-27-2008, 07:30 AM
Fat is good! It will help you snatch more.
Seriously.
OK, I'm lazy about counting any macro nutrient other than protein, so maybe I'm not the best responder if you're into that type of micro managing macro nutrients.

Margie Lempert
02-27-2008, 07:58 AM
John - I'm totally with you. Sometimes I'm anal, sometimes I not. This is just a question that's been gnawing at me. I'm sure the answer is somewhere on the boards, but I haven't found it yet.

Mike ODonnell
02-27-2008, 08:41 AM
Wish I could help out....but I am not a fan of the zone....and counting calories....and fat is good.

Garrett Smith
02-27-2008, 09:25 AM
The wonders of the Zone. OCD on portion control--except on fat portions in protein! That's where magical rounding comes in.

I kept the Zone all OCD. 3 grams of fat were 1 block, and that was final. Then there isn't any worry of differences between types of protein. I tallied all macronutrients for each and every meal (ie. counting the protein in nuts).

From everything I've heard, tallying your daily totals and not worrying so much about the per-meal totals is fine.

John Alston
02-27-2008, 10:33 AM
John - I'm totally with you. Sometimes I'm anal, sometimes I not. This is just a question that's been gnawing at me. I'm sure the answer is somewhere on the boards, but I haven't found it yet.

Is that you in the avatar? You coming down to Lost Battalion?

Margie Lempert
02-27-2008, 11:16 AM
Thank you guys. I know I'm being super anal. It's really just about the inconsistency of it, you know? I don't think knowing would change how I eat. And I haven't started counting the protein in my nuts or anything ; )

Anyway, glad to hear that not everyone is super pro-Zone. I think it's nice as a loose guide, or to get people started on some nutrition plan. But I'll spend more of my energy on eating paleo and paying attention to what macro intake works best for me.

It is me in the avatar. You just made my day! I think I have to work up my courage to step into Lost Battalion. Been training at CF South Brooklyn and NYC.

John Alston
02-27-2008, 12:12 PM
AH, no courage needed, we're a welcoming bunch at LBH. Make sure you come on a MOnday or Wednesday. Coach Joe Triolo will help you out and will be excited for sure at a new lifter with some experience.
Yoon and I go M and W but I'm on a chronic sick leave for the next week or two.
Come on down and compete in one of our upcoming meets, March and May!

Margie Lempert
02-27-2008, 01:04 PM
Cool - I will definitely come over to LBH soon. Actually, Yoon's been to CF South Brooklyn before... I think I did Fran with him.

Hope you feel better!

Júlíus G. Magnússon
04-24-2008, 03:02 PM
I kept the Zone all OCD. 3 grams of fat were 1 block, and that was final. Then there isn't any worry of differences between types of protein. I tallied all macronutrients for each and every meal (ie. counting the protein in nuts).

That's what I do. Never considered doing it any other way and never understood how people coped with the flakiness of counting a food's blocks only by its main macro nutrient.

Stanley Daniel
04-26-2008, 05:10 PM
Hey I had a post not too long ago (today :) ) asking about this component - I've weighed my food in the past when I was doing mostly protein-carb / protein-fat meals ~6 times a day... I wrote a huge post asking some questions in the crossfit board this past week... anyways, I usually measure everything in grams/ounces...
Not counting calories, but ~1.3grams protein/lb lean mass/ 1g carb/LBM / ~0.5g fat/LBM

especially now since I've recently started the zone, I'm trying to get a better understanding of this...


Y'all are counting the macros of each food? I don't count calories, but rather the main core macro of a food - i.e. if it's a

meat/egg=protein
veggie/fruit=carb
oils/nuts=fat

for example :

oatmeal (40grams) 3g F / 23g C (subtracted 4grams fiber) 5g P
this is a carb source, now you would factor in the 5grams of protein???
lets say you're eating

avocado (100gram) 15g F / 2grams carb (subtracted 7grams fiber) 2g P

got my point/question? :) weighing and measuring already takes time as you know... that's the next level, if I am following what y'all were talking about!

Garrett Smith
04-27-2008, 07:26 AM
Stanley,
Personally, when I did the Zone (note past tense), I counted all the macros of each food. Or to be more exact, I turned each food's macros into their block equivalents (rounding usually to the 1/2 block).

If I'm going to be OCD, I go all out. :D

I don't do that anymore.

Stanley Daniel
04-28-2008, 04:22 PM
Thank you again Garrett for your views on this post and along with the other one... :) I've been absorbing some interesting nuggets of info from posts written by yourself and others!

I came across some "nightshade" topics too :( Hehe, all these years) I've been eating those spices (varieties of peppers, lots of paprika and I thought eggplants & tomatoes (both of which I started eating lots of last week) were "zone" friendly...

Anyways, I'll drop out these nightshade foods that I read from : http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=george&dbid=62 and see how things go for the next few weeks... will need to find something to substitute for the "kick" needed for some meals....

You've mentioned that the zone was the past, and now? :)
I've seen some interesting posts on the paleo-style... most of which, the foods I already have in my home... so I was using mostly paleo-type foods, but calculating my portions via fitday and zone blocks... Is there a better way to calculate the daily paleo requirements besides the Katch-McArdle/Harris-Benedict/Dr.Sears calculator methods?

At the present moment, I've been using the sears and crossfit journal #21 "medium male 16block" amount... both the sears and journal upon measuring with tape was about right.... I've had the acu-measure fat calipers in the past but I misplaced them but used the KATCH-lbm method to figure my macro totals...

Garrett Smith
04-28-2008, 06:36 PM
I bought the Myotape and the accompanying calipers from bodybuilding.com . I used the Sears method, I think I came out at 18 blocks.

Now I'm low-carb Paleo and IF, at least I strive to be, it's dang hard with a pregnant wife and all her carby foods around the house! I know by my body comp and how I feel when I've been straying. I maintain my current weight really well (I'd guess around 10% BF) and I have no desire to gain LBM unless it happens as a result of training.

I never used Fitday. I used pencil and paper. Sometimes not even that much. I tended to eat a lot of the same foods over and over, having a couple of variations for lunches and dinners (breakfast was always a hemp protein shake).

I always calculated blocks from the label on the food, unless it was a food without a label, then I used the CFJ numbers or the USDA numbers (depended on what I had available at the time). I always had one cheat meal a week.