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James Evans
02-27-2008, 06:28 AM
Any of you ever do these?

Remember seeing them years ago for boxing circuits and I've got some old Ross Enamait material where he describes them. I was flicking through a book I have on complex training (ie bench followed by clap push ups not Javorek complexes) and the Nieder press was presented as one of the plyo exercises.

Also, one of the great exercises named after it's 'inventor':

Mr Nieder
Mr Zercher
Mr Saxon
Mr Hack

(only being partly serious with this last bit but I read someone commenting on the identity of Zercher today)

Derek Simonds
02-27-2008, 06:56 AM
I did them in a complex just goofing around last week. They were harder than I thought they would be. I was really punching them out and pulling them back hard. I did

Bent Over Row + Good Morning + Neider Press + Push Press + Back Squat

I did it with really light weight 65 LB's and it was a burner.

James Evans
02-27-2008, 08:05 AM
They're tough aren't they? I do them a lot with medballs (forgetting that they are actually Nieders), 20k to 30k max is all I can manage with a barbell.

Do you use a split stance? It stabilises you a bit more. Seen them done in a partial squat to.

I'll try your complex as a warm up later.

Allen Yeh
02-27-2008, 08:22 AM
video?

Garrett Smith
02-27-2008, 08:27 AM
I've done a version of them with DBs, doing "sprawl ball" in the CA WOD. I had to do them inside and between the drywall and my poor selection of medicine balls, I subbed in the DBs for the med ball throw against the wall (Nieder press portion).

Rough on the shoulder muscles, and I found myself really yanking them back in strongly, to minimize the time in arm extension!

James Evans
02-27-2008, 10:00 AM
Allen, I can't find one (after a very cursory search).

Imagine a standing bench press. Slightly split stance for a solid base. Drive the weight - barbell, db or medball away from your chest, sometimes suggested in a slight upward direction. Your shoulders really struggle to stabilize the weight.

Obvioulsy popular with boxers because of the punching motion but Nieder was apparently a shotputter. I'd be interested to know what Dan John thinks of the exercise.

James Evans
02-27-2008, 12:37 PM
as I consign another incorrect title to the vaults of this forum along with "Alan's 5 Easy Moles".

NEIDER Press

http://www.gocolgateraiders.com/sports/gen/strength/exercises_FINAL/Shoulder/neiderpress.html

There was a vid up on Ross' boxing site but it's now gone. I just found an illustration that was nothing more than just an incline bench press!

I trawled through some other shit including this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQggVKcFh_U

Allen Yeh
02-27-2008, 02:56 PM
as I consign another incorrect title to the vaults of this forum along with "Alan's 5 Easy Moles".

NEIDER Press

http://www.gocolgateraiders.com/sports/gen/strength/exercises_FINAL/Shoulder/neiderpress.html

There was a vid up on Ross' boxing site but it's now gone. I just found an illustration that was nothing more than just an incline bench press!

I trawled through some other shit including this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQggVKcFh_U

Thanks.

Ben Moskowitz
02-28-2008, 08:27 PM
here's my interpretation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KTbCPZHQ64) (WFS). I probably launch the bar too upwards.

Allen Yeh
02-29-2008, 02:57 AM
Did you mean this Ross video?

http://www.rosstraining.com/articles/hardcore.html

It's the 2nd exercise shown right?

James Evans
02-29-2008, 04:23 AM
I managed to find a link to an old page where the video had been removed so I don't know what Ross was talking about. In one of his old books he illustrates it with dbs in the manner I have described previously.

The exercise Ross is doing in the Hardcore video has a different emphasis (it's what that guy doing snatches, swings etc. in the vid of YouTube I posted calls a Neider press). This is quite a popular power exercise with rugby players. A variation is have a partner push the loaded barbell towards you, you take the weight and explode up onto your toes as you press it back with maximum force. Until I started this thread I had never seen this type of movement described as Neiders.

With my variation you are supporting the weight completely across an almost horizontal plain, it puts a lot of stress on the shoulders. In this vid:

http://www.gocolgateraiders.com/spor...iderpress.html

the guy brings the dbs to his side between reps, thereby releasing the tension. I tried Derek's complex at 20kg for 3 x 6 and it reminded me how much it makes your shoulders scream when you keep the bar at that height.

I guess a punching or putting type movement with bands or with a barbell angled from the ground might be a better exercise.

Allen Yeh
02-29-2008, 04:25 AM
I managed to find a link to an old page where the video had been removed so I don't know what Ross was talking about. In one of his old books he illustrates it with dbs in the manner I have described previously.

The exercise Ross is doing in the Hardcore video has a different emphasis (it's what that guy doing snatches, swings etc. in the vid of YouTube I posted calls a Neider press). This is quite a popular power exercise with rugby players. A variation is have a partner push the loaded barbell towards you, you take the weight and explode up onto your toes as you press it back with maximum force. Until I started this thread I had never seen this type of movement described as Neiders.

With my variation you are supporting the weight completely across an almost horizontal plain, it puts a lot of stress on the shoulders. In this vid:

http://www.gocolgateraiders.com/spor...iderpress.html

the guy brings the dbs to his side between reps, thereby releasing the tension. I tried Derek's complex at 20kg for 3 x 6 and it reminded me how much it makes your shoulders scream when you keep the bar at that height.

I guess a punching or putting type movement with bands or with a barbell angled from the ground might be a better exercise.

Broken link.

James Evans
02-29-2008, 04:59 AM
http://www.gocolgateraiders.com/sports/gen/strength/exercises_FINAL/Shoulder/neiderpress.html

Weird. Not sure why that's happened.