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Leo Soubbotine
03-26-2008, 07:18 AM
The lifts are @ 70-85% (65-75 kg sn and 82.5-90 kg c&j)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRbI_JcvgbQ

All critique is welcome.

Arden Cogar Jr.
03-26-2008, 10:34 AM
Leo,
I'm far from competent to comment, but I think you look great. The only thing I noticed was that during your intial dip into the jerk your knees knock or come together. But that could be the camera angle and the lighting. I honestly don't even know if that's bad or not.

Let me say that you do right everything that I don't. Good work.

All the best,
Arden

Dan Heaney
03-27-2008, 04:48 AM
Leo,
I noticed was that during your intial dip into the jerk your knees knock or come together.

Let me say that you do right everything that I don't. Good work.

All the best,
Arden

I believe he does that on purpose and it's refered to as caving.

http://www.shtanga.kcn.ru/images/opyt1/opyt116.jpg

Nice looking lifts Leo!!

Leo Soubbotine
03-27-2008, 05:44 AM
For some unknown reason it's a lot easier to jerk this way and ever since I switched - never had problems with my jerks (which is a good thing, since I don't have to worry about spending extra time training them).

I used to do that playing basketball and it came automatically.
It's an iffy technique since I haven't seen anyone use it, but it does make the jerk a lot easier and so far I like it.

Dan-
I love the background in all them pics! Reminds me of Motherland.

Arden Cogar Jr.
03-27-2008, 09:58 AM
For some unknown reason it's a lot easier to jerk this way and ever since I switched - never had problems with my jerks (which is a good thing, since I don't have to worry about spending extra time training them).

I used to do that playing basketball and it came automatically.
It's an iffy technique since I haven't seen anyone use it, but it does make the jerk a lot easier and so far I like it.

Dan-
I love the background in all them pics! Reminds me of Motherland.


Caving.....now I know something new and something I just have to try on my next session. My jerks suck. I'm just getting comfortable with the full squat cleans.

Thanks so much. I love learning.

Oh and that picture is awesome!!!!

All the best,
Arden

Kevin Perry
03-27-2008, 11:07 AM
Great looking lifts Leo. A Snatch and Jerk are always motivating to watch.

Dan Heaney
03-27-2008, 05:19 PM
For some unknown reason it's a lot easier to jerk this way and ever since I switched - never had problems with my jerks (which is a good thing, since I don't have to worry about spending extra time training them).

I used to do that playing basketball and it came automatically.
It's an iffy technique since I haven't seen anyone use it, but it does make the jerk a lot easier and so far I like it.

Dan-
I love the background in all them pics! Reminds me of Motherland.

I tried caving today with my behind the head jerks and I hit a new PR (220lbs). I really does help.

Craig Snyder
03-27-2008, 08:05 PM
I am really quite inexperienced with oly lifting, but the idea of caving my knees like that with any amount of weight on my body makes me cringe. Can someone explain to me why they would do that or even why some are getting PRs with that jerk technique?

Thanks,

Craig

Leo Soubbotine
03-27-2008, 08:09 PM
Probably for the same reason people cave in knees naturally when they're coming out of a squat - seems to be a stronger position.

Whether it's a result of muscle imbalance (adductor vs quad strength) or rather a question of biomechanical advantage - I'm not sure.

One volleyball coach recently told me that that's how they teach ... hm what's that called...when you throw the ball up take a step and hit?

Not sure about this technique and knee health. I don't teach that to anybody and experiment only with myself.

Craig Snyder
03-27-2008, 08:19 PM
When I look at that movement, I see a hip ER/ABductor weakness or dyskinesis. I think something like that should be untrained, like the posterior tilt in a deep squat.

But like I said, I am far from experienced and as I learn more about oly lifting and training I will probably change my view points many times, as they have already since beginning following Greg's program and making gains.

Craig

John Planow
03-29-2008, 10:50 PM
I'm no expert, so I'm replying here as much to validate my own critique as I am to provide solid advice. Perhaps it will be of some help though...

First, it looks to me like your hips are too low in your starting positions. Your hips should be a bit higher so your shoulders are slightly in front of the bar. Second, when you start your lift, you start with your hips. Your shoulders and hips should come up at the same rate during the first pull. In other words, your torso angle should stay the same relative to the ground. These two faults may cancel each other out for the most part.. This is where my lack of expertise come through; I'm not sure how big of a problem you have, if at all. It would be interesting to here other thoughts on this.

Your lifts look pretty good to me otherwise.

John