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Jason Naubur
04-18-2008, 11:54 AM
You may remember me from such threads as:
http://www.performancemenu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2144

I am back to ask this:

My wife has done 2 months of 'bootcamp' at the local CF affiliate, yet her weight has not changed much (small -BF, +LBM) but nearly as much as one would expect with a good diet.

So I have asked her to see her doctor and check out her blood work. But what should he check for specifically? Her Doc is old skool: Low fat, High Carb, Don't Squat Below Parallel kinda guy. I am worried he might check on stuff that isn't a good indicator. Or am I off base here? Either way I will post the results for input when she gets them.


jason

Garrett Smith
04-18-2008, 11:57 AM
Ask for a thyroid panel, definitely one with T3 and Free T3 in it.

Mike ODonnell
04-18-2008, 12:32 PM
Does your wife:
- Get little sleep
- Drinks lots of coffee (or caffeine)
- Get little dietary fat
- Get too stressed all day long

Like Dr G said....sounds like a Thyroid issue.....also might want to get her cortisol levels checked....as I believe if those bottom out in the AM (when they are supposed to be high) that means burnout....

Jason Naubur
04-18-2008, 12:38 PM
Thanks a lot. I will ask her to check these out.

I have upped her fat, downed her carbs a bit, and am weaning her off the Splenda yogurts. Her sleep is decent for keeping a household of 5 going, with my help of course (7 hours is normal). No caffeine, no coffee pop or tea. Some stress at work, but nothing terrible from the horror stories I hear about - she is pretty level headed with that stuff.

Always stuff to improve on however!


Jason

Mike ODonnell
04-18-2008, 12:47 PM
Just remember to keep her focused on lifestyle changes for long term health....as that consistency is what will keep her getting progress hopefully. People who want quick weight loss are always going to end up going back to old bad habbits once they no longer see the results they expect....that's not the right mindset. Be healthy and the body will respond in kind.

Jeremy Shepard
04-18-2008, 02:00 PM
Is she sure that she's in an energy deficit?

Garrett Smith
04-18-2008, 03:46 PM
Good point, Jeremy.

To add to what MOD said, if you are seeing a conventional doc, see if she can get an AM & PM cortisol done.

More sleep will always help, as will better quality sleep.

Mike ODonnell
04-18-2008, 04:26 PM
How often is she doing the "bootcamps"? If it's too much that can have a negative effect too. In regards to fat, the total intake must be watched....as those calories can add up quickly....like most people think they can eat nuts...and have 30 of them....when in actuality they should of only had like 4. In the end like Jeremy mentioned...it's about calories in, and calories burned...no matter how strong or weak the metabolism is.

Jason Naubur
04-18-2008, 04:36 PM
We are pretty sure she is eating the right amount for the zone, but now minus some carb blocks, and maybe 1.5 - 2x the nuts. The hard thing to reconcile is compared to her old diet, she is eating a lot less. Even without exercise she should be losing. Or so I thought.

Bootcamps are M-F mornings for 1 hour. Not all are metcons though, some are Squat practice or Med Ball Clean skill work. I was going to say maybe skipping the Wed class if she and her instructor both think it helpful.

While my wife was expecting more - she surely wasn't expecting a miracle. But some more obvious progress would be nice for her. I don't think most friends and family have even noticed, and her pants aren't any looser.

Her health is better, and her skin is clearer so I think she is changing her life for the long haul.


Jason

Mike ODonnell
04-18-2008, 04:52 PM
We are pretty sure she is eating the right amount for the zone, but now minus some carb blocks, and maybe 1.5 - 2x the nuts.

Sounds high....but I don't do the zone so without a calculator I really don't know how many total grams or calories that is....what's her daily intake for total calories and fat/carb/protein grams?

Jason Naubur
04-18-2008, 08:25 PM
I'm not sure off the top of my head right now.

But we did normal zone for 2 months, on the consultation of the affiliate we upped the fat a bit after low results.

I'll check her numbers when I get a chance.


j

Mike ODonnell
04-19-2008, 09:12 AM
But we did normal zone for 2 months, on the consultation of the affiliate we upped the fat a bit after low results.

If you really do what the "normal" zone calls for...I'm guessing you would of been in the 1100 cal range a day....if that is not working...raising calories is not what she needs. Don't start thinking she needs the "athlete" zone with more fat...as she is not an athlete, does not have that activity level and weight loss is the main goal.

The problem with the zone in the "real world"....is people never do it right. If you tell someone to eat 1200 cal....they really take in 1500+. Also, if you start doing things like maybe 30-40min walks at night...that is another way to help burn off the extra calories. Of course if the thyroid is bottomed out then there are other issues as well. Does she have a high calorie day once every 7-10 days too? That is usually important in any low calorie plan to help keep the metabolism strong. Coconut oil is also supposed to be good for the thyroid.

In the end....if weight loss is not happening she will need either less calories or more activity daily. There still has to be a deficit of calories for the body to use internal fat as fuel.

Jason Naubur
04-19-2008, 12:10 PM
Duly noted, and appreciated. I think as well as having some tests done, we will discuss these things and implement as necessary.


Thanks all.

Off topic Mike, but I love the Blog. Your post about happiness and what we really need seems to have triggered something. Thanks.

Jane Michel
04-19-2008, 07:15 PM
Off topic Mike, but I love the Blog. Your post about happiness and what we really need seems to have triggered something. Thanks.

I love it and your posts about simplicity too.

Mike ODonnell
04-19-2008, 09:35 PM
I love it and your posts about simplicity too.

I swear I am not paying these people......Psssssst...check is in the mail...

Same can be said about fat loss....keep it simple....calories in vs calorie expenditure out.....works for the Biggest Loser people who eat 800 cal a day and workout for 4 hours a day too.

Tirzah Harper
04-21-2008, 11:09 AM
Personally I havenít gotten a weight loss from doing CrossFit. I know, I know, but I havenít.
Iíve gotten better muscles, more strength, but not really the huge ďohmygod!Ē changes that testimonials are made of. ErÖin fact, I put on fat over this very long and inactive (trapped indoors due to a skin condition) winter. Talk about depressing!
Keeping a workout log book kept me from giving up Ė that and this is plain fun. But my times got better, my weights got higher, Iím doing full pushups frequently now Ė this is progress.

But it wasnít until I was able to get outside again and start walking and running this spring that Iím starting to notice the fat coming off. I have a very sedentary job. Iím sure the additional muscle mass is helping, but it seems like itís taking a deliberate raising of my activity level through adding walking & running to my daily routine to actually effect the fat loss.

YMMV. Hope this helps.

Neal Winkler
04-22-2008, 07:17 PM
As James FitzGerald stated in his article in the PM, metcons don't work for everyone. People with high cortisol output and insulin resistance for example.

Now we just have to wait until the next installment. Is it May1st yet?