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Jordan Glasser
07-27-2008, 07:43 PM
Man was ever intrigued by the ZMA thread a while back. Bought a bottle and took it. I never lasted more then a couple of days when I first tried it. I'd wake up with a sore lower back. I guessed that it was due to such a deep sleep where I'd wake up all tangled up in my comforter and sleeping in the most deranged positions. (Too deep of a sleep to care or wake up). The other day I saw the bottle in my cupboard and decided to give it a try, only this time, taking it first thing in the morning. Day 1 I went with the recommended dosage, 3 pills. Same back pain. Day 2, 2 pills, day 3, 1 pill. And again, low back pain/discomfort. I bring up this story to a friend, and right away she says kidneys. I think she nailed it!

Anyone else experience this, or better yet, explain it?

Garrett Smith
07-27-2008, 08:05 PM
Some basic bloodwork and a visit to your PCP would probably be a good idea.

If you desire to experiment, you might try getting the components individually and trying them singly to narrow down what is causing the issue.

Jordan Glasser
07-27-2008, 09:19 PM
Some basic bloodwork and a visit to your PCP would probably be a good idea.

If you desire to experiment, you might try getting the components individually and trying them singly to narrow down what is causing the issue.

might try and experiment. The pain is mild.
What would you experiment with first? and would it matter if it were in a form other then aspartate?

Garrett Smith
07-28-2008, 07:05 AM
I'd try the aspartate forms of both first. If you react to both, then the issue is the aspartate.

Then you could try some other types of chelates (ie. citrate), see if you get the same response.

Jordan Glasser
07-29-2008, 03:33 PM
on second thought, I should see a doc rather then play around with my kidneys. My family (on both sides) does have a history of kidney stones, better to be safe here. Just wish I knew a doc I liked/trusted.

Garrett Smith
07-29-2008, 04:19 PM
Jordan,
You can look for an ND in your area at www.findnd.com and www.naturopathic.org ...

Chris Tracy
07-30-2008, 02:21 PM
Jordan,

For what it's worth, I suffered from Kidney stones for years. I don't want Dr. G to get too full of himself, but, he told me to get off the wheat/gluten and to do a metal detox (that he helped me with)... haven't had a stone since. So what about ZMA? Stay with me.

I obviously don't know anything about your family history, types of stones they produced, or that you are even producing a stone. I do know that most Urologists simply don't know how to prevent stones... NOT 1 person other than Dr. G said a thing about wheat/gluten and I'll be damned if that didn't work for me.

I used to feel the same thing you’re describing with ZMA and I don't anymore, however, I only take it when I know I'm going to have a couple rough workouts, longer rides or when I feel my quality of sleep diminishing.

In summary- do what Dr. G said.

Jordan Glasser
07-30-2008, 06:29 PM
Jordan,

For what it's worth, I suffered from Kidney stones for years. I don't want Dr. G to get too full of himself, but, he told me to get off the wheat/gluten and to do a metal detox (that he helped me with)... haven't had a stone since. So what about ZMA? Stay with me.

I obviously don't know anything about your family history, types of stones they produced, or that you are even producing a stone. I do know that most Urologists simply don't know how to prevent stones... NOT 1 person other than Dr. G said a thing about wheat/gluten and I'll be damned if that didn't work for me.

I used to feel the same thing you’re describing with ZMA and I don't anymore, however, I only take it when I know I'm going to have a couple rough workouts, longer rides or when I feel my quality of sleep diminishing.

In summary- do what Dr. G said.

Thanks chris,

I'm a gluten/wheat free guy. With the odd exception of eating out, unknown ingredients in sauces, etc....
That's the beauty of paleo eating. It gives me the confidence that I am putting my body in the best place possible to stay healthy.
I only feel the need to take something like ZMA when I'm run down, or overworked, or stressed, or eating poorly (still paleo). And of course, those are the times that taking ZMA could cause problems. All in all I don't feel the back or kidneys today.