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Trygve Lunde
08-03-2008, 02:09 AM
Ive read the rapid fat loss handbook and the ultimate diet 2.0. Also bin reading alot on the leagains site and i find it really impressive. My question is however. How is he nutrition split? % of carbs, fat and protein.

Do they follow Mcdonal way? he is recommending very much protein i think? since im a athlete i really want to approach the leangains way of eating and dieting since its working for other athletes. I see Lyle is recomending 1.5gx/lb of protein 25% fat from calories and the rest from carbs.

Also about fruit allergi. Anyone struggle with this? if i eat apple i get nasty rash. Ive heared that people eating the high fat diet are not struggling with this because of the insulin etc. so all their allergies and asthma dissapears. Anyone have experience with this?

Anyone tried the rapid fat loss? and the Lyle way of eating and IF with it? or the leangains method?

Dan Heaney
08-03-2008, 03:07 AM
Are you looking to move to IF or just diet? RFLH is geared for just that Rapid Fat Loss following it will be tough if you are going to still train and UD requires you to follow the diet and training. I think the leangains 16/8 IF may be best if you are still going to be doing a lot of training. You could follow RFLH maint plan on training days and the PSMF on non training day. Both of those would work well with IF. That is very close to what I do. I only IF on the days that are PSMF like and eat normally the other 3 days (when I do my heavy wt training).

I have done the UD and like it a lot but like I said you need to follow the rx'd training that goes along with it.

Trygve Lunde
08-03-2008, 04:55 AM
both. I want to combine fasting with my diet. Yes i agree that leangains will be the best since i train almost every day. How long do you IF on non training days?
How are the leangains approach to nutrition? carbs,protein and fat due to calorie inntake? what do you mean with PSMF?


Are you looking to move to IF or just diet? RFLH is geared for just that Rapid Fat Loss following it will be tough if you are going to still train and UD requires you to follow the diet and training. I think the leangains 16/8 IF may be best if you are still going to be doing a lot of training. You could follow RFLH maint plan on training days and the PSMF on non training day. Both of those would work well with IF. That is very close to what I do. I only IF on the days that are PSMF like and eat normally the other 3 days (when I do my heavy wt training).

I have done the UD and like it a lot but like I said you need to follow the rx'd training that goes along with it.

Liam Dougherty Springer
08-03-2008, 07:44 AM
Trygve, I can relate to wanting to figure out what will work before commiting to any plan but honestly the only thing that has ever worked is begining a program and feeling it out. IF has helped me "feel out" whatever nutritional program I am trying do to the increased metabolic sensitivity that comes along with the periods of fasting.

You are a professional athlete. Take it slow don't sacrafice your performance. Perhaps wait untill the off season to try any carb, or calorie restriction. Start by adding some fasting windows and see how it feel while eating as usual then take it from there. At your activity levels if you just try and eat "clean" No refined carbs and very little whole grain lots of veggies and yams for recovery along with good fats and protein at every meal you may begin to see the results you are looking for with much less effort than you realize.

For me all diets have taken short adjustment periods with some negative attributes often decreased physical performance. They are then followed shortly by increased stamina and overal energy levels as well as improved recovery. If this dosn't happen no matter how much fat I lose it wont be worth it. There are no quick fixes or easy solutions that are also healthy and productive. Well thats my opinion.

Arien Malec
08-03-2008, 08:18 AM
Anyone tried the rapid fat loss? and the Lyle way of eating and IF with it? or the leangains method?

I've combined IF with UD2.0. Martin Berkhan is going to be doing a book on IF with McDonald -- why don't you email him and see what he says?

For myself, I combined IF with a couple of days of the low carb low calorie days of UD2.0. Hard to do IF with the carb-up, and for me, at least, IF helps control hunger on the lower calorie days.

MOD posted something from Martin to the effect that if you want to do weight training fasted, you should take 10g of BCAA first.

Mike ODonnell
08-03-2008, 10:28 AM
Read "Body Opus" first....if you can find it.

Derek Weaver
08-03-2008, 02:39 PM
I've combined IF with UD2.0. Martin Berkhan is going to be doing a book on IF with McDonald -- why don't you email him and see what he says?


I think I saw on Lyle's board that he's not working with him on the book anymore. Nothing hostile, just that it was Martin's "baby".

I'll dig up a link or two to Lyle's forum where they discuss IF.

here's a forum link to Lyle's support forum discussing IF a bit. Worth a look. (http://forums.lylemcdonald.com/showthread.php?t=853)

Trygve Lunde
08-03-2008, 04:08 PM
I understand what your saying, but i just want a plan that i can follow and that i know works. I know that every person is different but there are many simulair things to "perfect" nutrition. But enough healty fats, what is healthy fats? and how is enough? i want to loose fat. People say saturated fat are the best fat, some say its the worst


Trygve, I can relate to wanting to figure out what will work before commiting to any plan but honestly the only thing that has ever worked is begining a program and feeling it out. IF has helped me "feel out" whatever nutritional program I am trying do to the increased metabolic sensitivity that comes along with the periods of fasting.

You are a professional athlete. Take it slow don't sacrafice your performance. Perhaps wait untill the off season to try any carb, or calorie restriction. Start by adding some fasting windows and see how it feel while eating as usual then take it from there. At your activity levels if you just try and eat "clean" No refined carbs and very little whole grain lots of veggies and yams for recovery along with good fats and protein at every meal you may begin to see the results you are looking for with much less effort than you realize.

For me all diets have taken short adjustment periods with some negative attributes often decreased physical performance. They are then followed shortly by increased stamina and overal energy levels as well as improved recovery. If this dosn't happen no matter how much fat I lose it wont be worth it. There are no quick fixes or easy solutions that are also healthy and productive. Well thats my opinion.

Trygve Lunde
08-03-2008, 04:12 PM
how much protein does people eat here? and what kind of fat? as Mcdonald recomends 1.5g x lb, and in the fat loss book its over 2x lb. Anyone tried high protein inntake?

Liam Dougherty Springer
08-03-2008, 05:41 PM
I understand what your saying, but i just want a plan that i can follow and that i know works. I know that every person is different but there are many simulair things to "perfect" nutrition. But enough healty fats, what is healthy fats? and how is enough? i want to loose fat. People say saturated fat are the best fat, some say its the worst

You hit it right on the head with that last statement. Some people say high carb low fat some say low carb high fat some say high protein moderat fat and carb. They all can and have worked for different people. There is no "perfect" nutrition. I do believe Higher fat and lower carbs on a caloric level shows positive results metabolicaly in most humens but there is the rare person it does not. What I am saying is it sounds like you want to try less carbs try it it wont kill you just take it easy and expect there to be some adjustment period.

As far as the fats go Mostly monounsaturated (Olive Oil, Avocado, Almonds), grassfed or wild animal meat, and balance your omega 3/6 (take fish oil if you eat coventional animal fats) thats what people here suggested to me and I have deffinatly found it to improve my general wellbeing. I also like to consume coconut oil when I want to have moderate energy availiable (weight training) without any carbs. It s a saturated fat that will become availiable for energy use without needing to be stored first.

Mike ODonnell
08-03-2008, 08:12 PM
I understand what your saying, but i just want a plan that i can follow and that i know works. I know that every person is different but there are many simulair things to "perfect" nutrition. But enough healty fats, what is healthy fats? and how is enough? i want to loose fat. People say saturated fat are the best fat, some say its the worst

Monounsaturated should be the majority of fat (since really wild game is higher in MUFAs and lower in SAT fats....grain fed sick animals are higher in Sat and PUFA-Omega 6s)....sat and some PUFAs can take up the rest. As for Martin's approach, it's spelled out pretty nicely here (http://projectfit.org/iflifeblog/2008/06/27/intermittent-fasting-guest-post-sure-fire-fat-loss/) (if you haven't read this post yet)

Paul McKirdy
08-04-2008, 05:41 AM
Thanks for the link. This reads very similar to the protocol I am currently following.

Arien Malec
08-04-2008, 08:45 AM
how much protein does people eat here? and what kind of fat? as Mcdonald recomends 1.5g x lb, and in the fat loss book its over 2x lb. Anyone tried high protein inntake?

I aim for 1g x lb or slightly higher. Anything more is just too damn hard to do, particularly with a low caloric intake for fat loss. A high fat, low carb diet should be protein sparing anyway.

If you are going to focus on weight loss, protein has a higher thermal effect of food so contributes to higher caloric expenditure. It also satiates better, at least for me (one can of tuna fish, and I'm done for hours). I'd guess that's the reasoning for the recommendation in the rapid fat loss approach. That book is, I believe, for people who need to lose serious weight, whereas UD2.0 and SFS are for people who are already reasonably lean (12-15% BF).

Derek Weaver
08-04-2008, 11:17 AM
Arien,
The high protein recommendation may have a bit to do with the thermal effect, but my guess is that it's most likely in order to spare muscle mass during periods of intense dieting.

Trygve,
From what I've seen of your posts here and at the CF forum, you're very curious. Good thing, but eventually you'll run out of ways to investigate the perfect approach. Jump in with any nutrition plan... though UD 2.0 and Rapid Fat Loss will probably compromise your performance. Don't do anything to your diet until the off season and then try it for yourself.

In the end, the correct answer is almost always: try it, if it works... good. If it doesn't, do something else.

Liam Dougherty Springer
08-04-2008, 11:24 PM
Arien,

Trygve,
From what I've seen of your posts here and at the CF forum, you're very curious. Good thing, but eventually you'll run out of ways to investigate the perfect approach. Jump in with any nutrition plan... though UD 2.0 and Rapid Fat Loss will probably compromise your performance. Don't do anything to your diet until the off season and then try it for yourself.

In the end, the correct answer is almost always: try it, if it works... good. If it doesn't, do something else.

Word

Trygve Lunde
08-05-2008, 04:25 AM
Thank you, right on :D


Monounsaturated should be the majority of fat (since really wild game is higher in MUFAs and lower in SAT fats....grain fed sick animals are higher in Sat and PUFA-Omega 6s)....sat and some PUFAs can take up the rest. As for Martin's approach, it's spelled out pretty nicely here (http://projectfit.org/iflifeblog/2008/06/27/intermittent-fasting-guest-post-sure-fire-fat-loss/) (if you haven't read this post yet)

Trygve Lunde
08-05-2008, 04:27 AM
Arien and Derek

Thank you. The reason why i ask that much is because i dont have to much room for failure since im in the middle of the season :)

Arien Malec
08-05-2008, 07:17 AM
The high protein recommendation may have a bit to do with the thermal effect, but my guess is that it's most likely in order to spare muscle mass during periods of intense dieting

The thing that doesn't fit, and the reason I made the surmise that the aim is to increase TEF and reduce appetite, is that the same recommendation isn't made for UD2.0, where the goal is reducing %bf from 12-15%, and that's the point where one is at the most risk of muscle loss.

As I said, I haven't read that particular book so I'm just surmising.

Derek Weaver
08-07-2008, 11:40 AM
Arien,
Ahhh, I get it. Protein's a tricky issue. I think we're on the same page following your explanation.