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Brian Sullivan
08-13-2008, 10:50 PM
Hi - I've been following the Beijing men's all-around and team all-around competition, and one thing I noticed is that the athletes don't seem to be doing as much single arm work on the high bar as I remember seeing in the past. I seem to remember guys doing consecutive one-arm giant swings in the past. Anybody else notice this? Anybody have an explanation? Maybe these are only done by the specialist, or maybe they are too risky during the all-around.

Thanks/ Bria

Steven Low
08-14-2008, 12:32 PM
They're not risky at all. Just not worth as much and some athletes just don't train for stuff like that (putting more time into twisting and release moves). It's pretty much a dead end skill anyway.

If you watched the team finals and prelims you'd see that a bunch of gymnasts did it though.

FYI it's only worth a B value... and I think it MAY be connectable to another skill (to raise the level of the skills involved -- so something like D+B would become an E skill), but it's already tough getting 10 good skills on high bar anyway. Plus, other connections like D+D get more bonus points so it's worthless if you can do that instead.

Patrick Donnelly
08-14-2008, 01:11 PM
Don't tell me I'm the only one who saw Tomita's one arm dismount from the rings. Hahah. It would have been awesome if he had landed that, even though he still would have had some major deductions.

Steven Low
08-14-2008, 02:18 PM
Side somi dismounts are banned from rings... so even if he landed it (inadvertently), it wouldn't have counted for anything. :(

He almost got a bronze/silver too. Only .2 away...

Derek Maffett
08-17-2008, 01:22 PM
So who did get gold? Jovtchev? Or is he even in this year?

Steven Low
08-17-2008, 02:07 PM
Rings finals have not started yet.

Today (6 AM EST - already happened) there was men's floor, pommel horse; women's vault and floor.

Tomorrow (6 AM EST) are men's rings and vault, womens unevens

Tues (6 AM EST) are men's pbars, high bar and womens beam


I don't think NBC is carrying it live... those idiots.

Jovtchev is indeed in the rings final and will most likely get silver although depending on his performance (and this competitors) he can either get bronze or a very unlikely gold. Big mistakes may cost him a medal.

Derek Maffett
08-18-2008, 03:35 PM
He got eighth. This saddens me, but in my book, he's still one of the best.

Steven Low
08-18-2008, 05:59 PM
He got eighth. This saddens me, but in my book, he's still one of the best.
I haven't seen the routine, but it seems like he got hurt or something? Because his SV was like .7 below what he had in prelims...

I guess I'll find out tonight. :(


edit: bah, missed the handstand... didn't meet the required elements and got a huge SV deduction. :(

Derek Simonds
08-18-2008, 08:00 PM
Yeah he did but the worst part was the silver medal Chinese guy's routine was not that good. He definitely got the home town scoring. The gold medal winner totally owned the routine.

How about the victorian pulled off twice by the French guy. Un-freaking-real!

Steven Low
08-18-2008, 08:05 PM
Yeah, it was pretty sick (victorian). I've seen Danny Rodrigues perform it a bit better than he did in that routine though.. nice combos though.

I think we shall see many more victorians in the next quad hopefully. :)


There's some shady scoring at these olympics so far though:
1. Chinese women on BB/UB in AA
2. Cheng Fei on Vault over Sacramone
3. That one you're talking about.
4. The one coming up on women's unevens and men's vault (although debatable.. with the tiebreaking)... basically WTF up is with the ties.

Kevin Perry
08-18-2008, 08:09 PM
Yeah, it was pretty sick (victorian). I've seen Danny Rodrigues perform it a bit better than he did in that routine though.. nice combos though.

I think we shall see many more victorians in the next quad hopefully. :)


There's some shady scoring at these olympics so far though:
1. Chinese women on BB/UB in AA
2. Cheng Fei on Vault over Sacramone
3. That one you're talking about.
4. The one coming up on women's unevens and men's vault (although debatable.. with the tiebreaking)... basically WTF up is with the ties.

Shady scoring, kinda seems like slight home team bias.

Steven Low
08-18-2008, 08:15 PM
Shady scoring, kinda seems like slight home team bias.
Which is retarded.. because there are no Chinese judges scoring any routines.

Hate home team bias. The better routine should win.

Scott Borre
08-19-2008, 06:45 AM
Well that's the problem with objective sports. Winning isn't always in your hands. So you do what you can and hope for the best.

I'm just glad that Liukin won the all-around. She should have had at least 2 more tenths on her vault. As for the uneven, the tie breaking system.. is faulty.


Oh and I decided this year that I think that the women should add an extra event. Go to 5. Perhaps rings. Would really make things weird for a while as the women train for it... but why not.

I also think the women should switch uneven to high bar. They basically do high bar anyhow now, since there are little points to be earned when going to the lower bar; however, they have to at least once. Its not like the old days when women went crazy with transitions.

Camille Lore
08-19-2008, 08:26 AM
My gymnastics coach said last night that he has been judging for 4 years and read the "book" thoroughly and never saw that tie breaking scheme in there. He also is apparently very close with Sacramone and was very frustrated talking about the events yesterday.
fwiw

Steven Low
08-19-2008, 10:30 AM
My gymnastics coach said last night that he has been judging for 4 years and read the "book" thoroughly and never saw that tie breaking scheme in there. He also is apparently very close with Sacramone and was very frustrated talking about the events yesterday.
fwiw
I have a copy of the code of points and as far as I know they did not outline tie breaking procedures in it. Shrug. Looked through it a couple times today and still did not see anything.

IMO they should just base it on their preliminary routine -- whoever scored higher on that one should win. I think that's what they did 8 years back in Sydney. It rewards the athlete with the most consistency.

Scott Borre
08-19-2008, 10:45 AM
Go to technical regulations, 5.1.5

I'm surprised a judge is not aware of FIG rules for tiebreaking.

Steven Low
08-19-2008, 10:57 AM
Go to technical regulations, 5.1.5

I'm surprised a judge is not aware of FIG rules for tiebreaking.
Non-olympics they just have ties though. At worlds and other international competitions not moderated by IOC they hand out two golds or two silvers or two bronze. It's just in the few instances like this that they actually need them, heh.

Scott Borre
08-19-2008, 11:42 AM
Non-olympics they just have ties though. At worlds and other international competitions not moderated by IOC they hand out two golds or two silvers or two bronze. It's just in the few instances like this that they actually need them, heh.


True...

And that's only since Atlanta. I think its silly. Ties for a gold medal is fine with me. But I guess the IOC doesn't want gold medal ties.