View Full Version : Increased dream recall on IF?

Fenthis Glusos
10-05-2008, 10:12 AM
I've been messing around with my IF times lately, to one where I pretty much stop eating at around 6-7 PM, and go to sleep around 12-1 AM. Now, I've always followed my dreams as I enjoy to explore the dream states for spiritual practice (Ibn Arabi, anyone?), not for interpretation reasons though as I think that is all bogus...but to lucid dream/out-of-body experiencing.

Well, without food in my stomach at night my dream recall has improved considerably making me even more prone to experience lucidity. I know the historical Buddha used to advise people not to eat past sundown and the Tibetan Buddhists adhere to that strongly which possibly assists them in their dream yoga practices.

Just wondering if anyone else has experienced this? I used to think the opposite would happen as the body sleeps lighter in a state of digestion, but apparently that is not the be all end all of it.

My diet consists of mostly fruit, then vegetables, meat (lamb, fish, chicken, some beef) and nuts. Before anyone says anything about fruit being the bulk of my diet, consider this, I believe fruit to be the most ideal food source available to humans. What else tastes so good right out of nature that doesn't require the use of condiments to spruce it?

The Prophet Muhammad would always break his fasts with 7 dates.

I workout in the mornings on an empty stomach and feel so completely energetic -- doing hard training, i.e. in the style of Ross Enamait.

George Mounce
10-05-2008, 10:51 AM
Lucid dreamer here - been recalling my dreams all my life without IF. Seen no change since IF'ing.

Takes 17 apples to equal 2 x 1 lb steaks. I'll stick with steaks.

Allen Yeh
10-06-2008, 05:10 AM
I noticed no change in dreaming with IF, my biggest dream changer in the past few years was the addition of ZMA to my nightly routine. That took a lot of getting used to.

Joyce Behrendt
10-06-2008, 09:45 AM
I have more scary and vivid dreams. Sometimes it was like a scene out of Baretta (guess that says something about my age, lol). I also went through this when I first drastically cut carbs and was in ketosis.

I asked Dr. Larry McCleary about why we get scary dreams and he suggested getting more monounsaturated fat from nuts, olives, avocados, etc. He referred to rabbit fever that the frontier settlers would get who ate what they could shoot. They reported hallucinations and sleep disturbances from eating too much lean meat and not enough carbs or fat.

Not sure what we can do about it with IF though other than make sure to eat more fat during the eating window. I also reduced my fasting time from 24 hours down to 16 or so.

Grissim Connery
10-06-2008, 10:31 AM
i think zma also had the biggest impact on my dreams. recently though i think i went above my UL for zinc. i had noticed that during this time my dreams had not been as apparent. when i lowered it back down a little, the dreams came back full force.

a few days ago i had a really politically themed dream. i woke up and realized my roomate had not turned his radio alarm off. obama and mccain were all up in my head.

Kevin Perry
10-06-2008, 12:12 PM
anothe one for ZMA. Have never noticed anything with fasting or any specific change in diet as a matter of fact.

Dave Van Skike
10-06-2008, 12:33 PM
I've noticed the same thing. for me, it takes about a week to kick in and then much deeper sleep and good recall upong waking.

Ben Moskowitz
10-06-2008, 09:20 PM
Lucid dreamer here - been recalling my dreams all my life without IF. Seen no change since IF'ing.

Takes 17 apples to equal 2 x 1 lb steaks. I'll stick with steaks.

So you can do the whole "control the dream" thing?

Dave Van Skike
10-06-2008, 09:22 PM
So you can do the whole "control the dream" thing?


Grissim Connery
10-07-2008, 09:44 PM
So you can do the whole "control the dream" thing?

going freddy kruger up in this joint

Fenthis Glusos
10-08-2008, 09:07 AM
I'm not the biggest Castaneda fan although I think his hand-gazing technique does in fact work -- but Gurdjieff also developed the hand technique before Castaneda amongst his "disciples" haha. Gurdjieff was the man.

Ben Moskowitz
10-11-2008, 05:07 PM
I was referring to lucid dreaming (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucid_dreaming) in general, which has actually been scientifically proven by subjects "consciously" moving their eyes back and forth while dreaming. See Stephen LaBerge.