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Jamila Bey
10-31-2008, 10:56 PM
Please help a sleep and time-deprived mommy out: I've looked at a bunch of Cordain stuff, but I can't quite find what I'm looking for...

My baby is about ready to start food. While my pediatrician is wonderful and hip to a bunch of diet stuff (she told hubby to knock off the diet sodas 'cause of insulin sensitivity issues and the like!) she is recommending that we begin babe on rice cereal then oatmeal then mixed grains.

And while baby's only gotten Mommy's milk to this point, I wonder if pressure cooked and pureed kale or spinach is too harsh for him?

And BTW, I've been eating a bunch of oatmeal too 'cause I notice it does up my milk production. Though I really don't need much help there, it's good to store.

I've decided that starting now I'm going to do a serious paleo diet myself, but I'm afraid of going off half-@$$ed with the little one.

Darryl Shaw
11-01-2008, 05:40 AM
If you are going to use grains I think your pediatrician is right to recommend rice and oats as they are the least likely to result in allergies however while I'm no expert on babies, or anything else for that matter, I can't think of any reason why a babies version of the Paleo Diet would cause any problems or why it would be any different to the adults version apart from portion sizes being smaller and there being no nuts, seeds or honey for the first year or two. So as far as I can see the usual paleo fare of fruit and berries, vegetables, including the starchy ones, lean meat, fish and some good fats all pureed into a gum friendly mush would be fine.

Garrett Smith
11-01-2008, 06:55 AM
Jamila,
Everything I've read says that breast milk alone is completely suitable for children up to a year of age--no need to start whole foods sooner just to placate the pediatrician.

Breast milk + pureed fruits/veg sounds good to me, everything the babe would need (assuming you are going to start feeding anyway). There's nothing in grains that people/babies can't get elsewhere. Also, once you start whole foods is when the diapers start getting awful, so I've heard, so I'm trying to keep Cori doing the breastmilk thing as long as possible.

Gittit Shwartz
11-01-2008, 07:12 AM
It's still a long way off for your Paleobabies, I guess, but a friend of mine has a three-year-old who sucks on plain fish oil capsules as if they were candy.
:)

Jamila Bey
11-01-2008, 02:26 PM
I'm needing some BF only support now... For all my bluster and love of a good row, I'm actually not doing so well when it comes to me expressing my desire to exclusively BF for the first year...

I guess it's 'cause I can't cite chapter and verse- fear not I've got research, just a bit sleep deprived so my learning and memorization is a bit off these days. I guess it's time for a new technique in my arsenal!

I actually got it storybook easy with the boy- he nursed instantly and I've had no problems, pain, or other trauma with nursing him. Being that I work at home, it's actually simpler than anything to pick him up, feed him, and be on my way.

We'll see... He's just coming up on 5 months so I've got plenty of time. I'm just getting ready 'cause even if i delay introducing solids, the boy's gotta eat sometime.

sarena kopciel
11-01-2008, 03:57 PM
Hey, there is actually a whole bunch of info here (http://www.westonaprice.org/children/index.html#fd) from Weston A Price foundation on feeding babies!

And yeah, I totally BFed my first (now 25 and a daddy himself) for a full year w/out anything!! But I must admit with each subsequent child I fed em earlier cause they demanded it from watching the sibs!!

If I had to do it now, and that's how I am suggesting my daughter, is solely breastmilk as long as possible to reduce allergies. Then I would think avocado, maybe orange veggies, broth of homemade chicken soup, veggies and meat from the soup, stewed, pureed fruits....

I think fish would be held off for awhile since it can be quite allergenic, eggs too....

Hope this all helps!

Garrett Smith
11-03-2008, 01:34 PM
Well, since I just sent my wife an email on the same topic, I figured I'd paste most of it here.

See link: http://www.llli.org/FAQ/firstfoods.html

There is nothing in that link that says grains or beans HAVE to be introduced--in fact, notice that fruits/veggies/meats are higher in the list than beans or grains.

From Cordain's latest email newsletter update:

Gluten is a water-soluble protein found in wheat, barley, rye and oats1. It is composed of an insoluble fraction called glutenin and alcohol-soluble proteins (prolamines) called gliadin in wheat, hordein in barley, secalin in rye and avenin in oats1. It is believed that the gliadin proteins constitute the fraction in gluten responsible for celiac disease (CD)1

CD is an autoimmune disease in which immune cells (T-lymphocytes) mount an attack on the small bowel mucosa1, causing atrophy of the lining (villi) of the mucosa, where the absorption of nutrients occurs. This has profound effects throughout the body, and if left untreated, is life threatening1. People with CD need to follow a lifelong gluten-free diet2.

In the last 40 years, science has revealed that gluten may also be involved in the development of other auto-immune diseases, such as auto-immune thyroid diseases3-7, Sjögren's syndrome7-11, rheumatoid arthritis12-14, IgA nephropathy15, multiple sclerosis 15-17, psoriasis18,19 and type 1 diabetes (T1D).

Regarding T1D, it is known that this disease progresses more rapidly in rats when gluten is incorporated into their diet early in life20,21. In addition, Schmid and colleagues found that: "Diabetes onset was delayed and diabetes incidence was significantly reduced in female mice that received the wheat and barley protein-free diet throughout life".22

In humans, exposure to gluten before three months of age increases the risk for T1D23. Likewise, a gluten-free diet in subjects with a high risk for T1D led to significant improvements in their insulin response during a glucose tolerance test24.

There is a very interesting report in the medical literature about an adolescent who had abnormal blood glucose and insulin levels. The adolescent tested positive for islet cell autoantibodies (a marker of T1D development) and celiac disease (diagnosed through small bowel biopsy). After following a gluten-free diet for six months, the adolescent became islet cell autoantibody negative and presented normal glycemia and insulinemia25.

Similarly to what happens with gluten, cow's milk is also implicated in a number of auto-immune diseases, such as type 1 diabetes26-33, rheumatoid arthritis13, Crohn's disease34, multiple sclerosis35-41, Sjögren's syndrome42 and even celiac disease43

Based on this evidence, it appears that people who have an elevated risk for auto-immune diseases or already have such diseases would benefit from a gluten and dairy free diet, which is one of the characteristics of The Paleo Diet.

Does anyone else have any Paleo-friendly literature on baby's first food introductions?

Darryl Shaw
11-04-2008, 06:30 AM
Garrett, this is the best I can come up with at the moment.

Infants are given their first solid food at about six months. The first foods are usually very ripe bananas or cooked sweet potato that mother offers her infant from a portion that she herself is eating. Other foods are then gradually added to the child's diet. The staple diet includes cooked foods such as sweet potatoes, taro, tapioc and plantains which are either roasted over coals or grated and baked with coconut cream; wing beans; a variety of greens; yams; recently introduced foods such as pumpkins, tomatoes, small green onions, green beans. Sea foods such as fish of many varieties and shell fish are readily available and are eaten two or three times a week. Game meats, chicken, and pork are available less often. Meals are ordinarily prepared once or twice daily, the main meal in the mid-afternoon or evening and a smaller breakfast if there are no cold foods left over. If there is no prepared food available, hungry children eat coconut, bananas, sugar cane, other available fruits such as pineapple, Malay apple, mango, or papaya, or biscuits purchased from the trade store. Children are not urged to "clean their plate." Instead, several children may eat from one dish, each child eating as much and as fast as it can in order to get its share. I have never seen a child of any age refuse food, even if it was not complaining of hunger. By the time they are four or five years old, children are allowed to consume almost everything that adults do, including areca-betel-lime mixture and tobacco. The exception is alcoholic beverages which are restricted to adult males.

http://anthropology.uwaterloo.ca/WNB/infant.htm

Garrett Smith
11-04-2008, 08:46 AM
Muchas gracias, Darryl. That has been forwarded to my lovely wife.

Ken Rich
11-04-2008, 10:32 AM
Our first is 7+ months now.

This article made me determined to keep him off grains.

http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/08/life-expectancy-and-growth-of.html

We've started him on avocado mashed with a little sea salt which he loves. He wasn't real interested in either the squash or the sweet potato yet.

Ken

Brian Shanks
11-04-2008, 02:20 PM
My grandson lives with us and my daughter has kept him almost 95% paleo. The pediatrician recommend around 6 months that she start adding rice and oatmeal. We discussed it and I convinced her to stay away from it. He will turn one years old this month. She still breast feds twice a day and the rest is supplemented with fruits, veggies, eggs, and meats. We introduced slowly and have had no problems what so ever. He is a hardy eater sucking down two eggs cooked in coconut oil every morning. We will usually cook up extra turkey, chicken, hamburger for him to eat at lunch and supper. We do use some canned veggies, only because my daughter is a little lazy and doesn't want to cook up veggies ahead of time, but they are the organic ones.

He has been sleeping through the night now for the last 4 months. That is usually one of the reason parents like to give the cereal.

Cheers

Brian

Jamila Bey
11-05-2008, 01:20 AM
I also heart the folks on this list.

I had a long tete a tete with Hubby and he's totally on board with me being the determiner of what our wee one consumes. He's on board with my exclusive nursing (I HATE the "breastfeeding" term) until a year.

Since the boy does not sleep through the night, nor do I really care- (the blessing of being a freelancer who works from home!) I'm not inclined to zonk him out with cereal. I am also one of those evil co-sleepers who permits the baby to nurse and fall asleep in bed with me/us each evening...

I just got a cookbook of 1001 gluten free recipes since that's gonna spark the ol imagination. I'm just getting my planning in line so that when it's time, I can hop into the food thing with some confidence... or as close to confidence as I can muster.

So, I am gonna go see the local doc Dr. G recommended for me, and I'm also making the decision to avoid grains for my little one.

Garrett Smith
11-05-2008, 04:17 AM
Jamila,
I'm glad you're going to see Dr. Hayduk. One of the highlights of my year is getting to visit with her at our national convention. Tell her I sent you.

FWIW, little Taryn is already sleeping through the night. Here's what we have found works:
1 - White noise machine (set on "rain")
2 - ~5oz. bottle of breastmilk before bed (long story, but it guarantees she has a full belly)
3 - Swaddling (I'm the assigned "master swaddler")
4 - If it is all you do, read and follow the chapter on sleeping/bedtime in "Secrets of the Baby Whisperer". We just started this process two days ago, and already Taryn is falling asleep at bedtime in <10 minutes.

Cori will decide, based on me working outside the home, what Taryn eats on a regular basis. All I'm working on doing is convincing her that all the grains the books & peds recommend are optional, not necessary, and most likely harmful.

Craig Loizides
11-08-2008, 03:03 PM
I just read an interesting passage in "Why Zebras Don't Get Ulcers". It says that the Kalahari Bushmen will nurse for 1 or 2 minutes every 15 minutes or so around the clock for about 3 years. The child is carried in a sling on the mother's hip so it can nurse frequently and sleeps near his mother and will nurse every so often without even waking her. When the child can walk he'll come running in every hour or so to nurse. The author also claims that breast feeding in this manner prevents ovulation due to its effect on prolactin levels. The average hunter gatherer woman may have only 2 dozen periods in her life.

sarena kopciel
11-08-2008, 05:33 PM
Jamila,
I'm glad you're going to see Dr. Hayduk. One of the highlights of my year is getting to visit with her at our national convention. Tell her I sent you.

FWIW, little Taryn is already sleeping through the night. Here's what we have found works:
1 - White noise machine (set on "rain")
2 - ~5oz. bottle of breastmilk before bed (long story, but it guarantees she has a full belly)
3 - Swaddling (I'm the assigned "master swaddler")
4 - If it is all you do, read and follow the chapter on sleeping/bedtime in "Secrets of the Baby Whisperer". We just started this process two days ago, and already Taryn is falling asleep at bedtime in <10 minutes.

Cori will decide, based on me working outside the home, what Taryn eats on a regular basis. All I'm working on doing is convincing her that all the grains the books & peds recommend are optional, not necessary, and most likely harmful.

No need to alarm, but many babies sleep thru the night early on. Then when teething hits, those peaceful evenings fly out the window!! Just be warned that everything is possible!

Susie Rosenberg
11-09-2008, 01:52 PM
Also, be mindful that nursing is not a reliable means of birth control. You can conceive even before a first resumed period if you catch your first ovulation.

Both my kids nursed exclusively for almost a full year, and my second, an avid nurser, didn't wean off night nursing until he was 2 1/2 years old. (I thought I would be nursing that one in high school.)

It's a deep pleasure that you will never forget. I have very demented women patients in nursing homes who clasp soft, lifelike baby dolls to their breasts, rock and doze. It's soothing to them, as if even the memory releases oxytocin, the so-called "love hormone."

Susie

sarena kopciel
11-12-2008, 04:18 AM
RICE--
http://www.babycenter.com/204_rice-can-trigger-severe-gut-reaction-in-some-infants_10302334.bc?scid=momsbaby_20081111:2&pe=2UuyXrt


And doctors still recommend rice as a first food!

Jamila Bey
11-14-2008, 09:14 AM
So there went my plans for exclusive breastfeeding for a year.

The boy was grabbing at our plates (he was in my lap during dinner) and crying. He wouldn't take my breast, and it was OBVIOUS that he was hungry. I scraped some organic pear with my spoon and gave him a taste and the kid was HOOKED. He probably ate three or four tablespoons of the pear and was quite happy about it. So I certainly plan on nursing as close to exclusively for the first year, it seems I have a young foodie on my hands.

Part of me feels badly 'cause I said I would nurse exclusively, but I'm not hurting him by feeding him pear and in a week or so, avacado or kale. I shouldn't be surprised that he's demanding food- my mom says I weaned completely by about 10 months and I was the only one of four who didn't nurse at least 14 months. (Then there was my youngest sister, little Miss day before kindgergarten nurser, but that's for another thread.)

sarena kopciel
11-18-2008, 05:41 AM
Just saw a link to this somewhere and it looks awesome for those times when you cant cook up fresh!
http://www.bellababyfoods.com/

sarena kopciel
11-24-2008, 10:52 AM
just saw this and its scary!!
http://cbs2chicago.com/video/?id=51358@wbbm.dayport.com&cid=48

sarena kopciel
12-01-2008, 02:02 PM
http://www.mothersnature.com/babies/info/bfoodJV.html
info on starting solids!