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Grissim Connery
12-10-2008, 03:20 AM
My right hand has been developing this pain around the heel and base of the thumb area. Here are some characteristics of how my hand feels different
1. if i try to touch my index finger's nuckle with the tip of my thumb, i feel a much tighter stretch in the meaty thumb base than i do with my other hand.
2. putting pressure on that meaty thumb base doesn't necessarily hurt but the muscle feels constantly sore.
3. the major pain i feel is in the muscle on the outside blade of the hand below the pinky. it mainly hurts when i shake somebody's hand.

when i workout, nothing normally hurts in my hand, but the muscles do feel kinda funny. they almost feel like they are stretching and relaxing too much in the middle of different motions like pushups or what not. i was doing muscle ups this week and had my first real experience where a pain shot through my hand and wrist and i had to stop doing muscle ups. the pain didnt' continue, but i tried grabbing the rings again and could just tell that it wasn't going to happen. i did pullups and dips instead, and they didn't hurt at all. thus it has something to do with pressuring the outside blade of my hand.

i first noticed something was awry when shaking peoples hands began hurting. somebody could be giving a weak handshake and it would still hurt. i have had to struggle to keep a straight face each time this occurred. a few guys have given solid handshakes, and my hand starts screaming as a result.

i'm doing a lot more handstand work nowadays. my guess is that because my left shoulder is a lot less mobile than my right, i'm using my right hand to support more weight.

has anybody had an experience like this?

George Mounce
12-10-2008, 05:21 AM
Yes, and it was always tied to overuse. I get the same things when going on long video game stunts and using the mouse and keyboard aggressively or playing way too much Guitar Hero. In fact my whole left hand went numb for 3 days after a 10 hour stint of it, I know, ridiculously silly on my part.

Darryl Shaw
12-10-2008, 05:27 AM
It's probably carpal tunnel syndrome as that's quite common amongst weight lifters. I've been suffering with it on and off for years and the only treatment I've had that improved things was a course of massage therapy aimed at releasing the transverse carpal ligament; basically it's just rubbing quite hard across the ligaments in the base of your wrist in order to free them. Other than that try different hand positions in the exercises that are causing you the most problems and try to keep your wrists as straight as possible when you're doing any pressing movements.

Steven Low
12-10-2008, 10:05 AM
Stretch out both sides of your wrists forearm muscles. Do some deep tissue cross friction & myofascial release massage on your whole forearm and hand. What Darryl said.

See if that helps.

Garrett Smith
12-10-2008, 10:39 AM
George,
Where in the heck does a new daddy and working man get the time to do a 10-hour stint of Guitar Hero?

Man, I can hardly scrape time together to watch a movie these days...

Grissim, my main suggestion is to cut way back or eliminate the handstand training for a while. Next, when you are doing handstands, you very much need to "squeeze" the heck out of the ground with the tips of all of your fingers while trying to keep the base of your index finger in contact with the ground. Loose fingers and wrists are a quick way to injury in handstands.

See if any of the wrist prehab in this thread helps:
http://gymnasticbodies.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=860

Take care of wrist/hand problems early, or end up with potentially chronic issues that affect all of your life activities later (since we humans use our hands for just a *few* things).

Also note that carpal tunnel syndrome-ish symptoms can also originate from the 1st rib / clavicular area or directly from the cervical spine. If you have had any tweaks to either of those areas recently, you might want to find a professional to sort that out.

George Mounce
12-10-2008, 11:14 AM
George,
Where in the heck does a new daddy and working man get the time to do a 10-hour stint of Guitar Hero?



You kidding? My son loves the combination of hard rock and colors flashing all over the TV! Still need to work on doing the splits with a plastic guitar in hand though!

Gittit Shwartz
12-10-2008, 11:23 AM
Grissim, my main suggestion is to cut way back or eliminate the handstand training for a while. Next, when you are doing handstands, you very much need to "squeeze" the heck out of the ground with the tips of all of your fingers while trying to keep the base of your index finger in contact with the ground. Loose fingers and wrists are a quick way to injury in handstands.

See if any of the wrist prehab in this thread helps:
http://gymnasticbodies.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=860

Take care of wrist/hand problems early, or end up with potentially chronic issues that affect all of your life activities later (since we humans use our hands for just a *few* things).

Also note that carpal tunnel syndrome-ish symptoms can also originate from the 1st rib / clavicular area or directly from the cervical spine. If you have had any tweaks to either of those areas recently, you might want to find a professional to sort that out.

Dr. G ain't kidding, I know this first hand... (oops no pun intended)
In addition to what everyone said, shoulder/scapular mobility is super important if you plan to get on your hands again. I'd definitely invest time in increasing your ROM there. Unfortunately it's not as simple as doing lots of shoulder stretches. An adult will need to something that gives you better movement awareness of the area. Or at least that's been my experience. Feldenkrais is what worked for me but there are a lot of methods out there that are good.

Grissim Connery
12-10-2008, 03:09 PM
damn it, i just started the new coach sommer book and now this happens.

interesting you mention the shoulder/clavicle area. about a year ago i got smashed into a matt pretty hard. it was a combination face plant and shoulder hit - reflexes made me pull my head back so my shoulder would take more of the force. my hands were tied up at the moment and pulled downward, stretching out my anterior delt. anyways i had to go to the emergency room. they said the muscle may have been a bit torn, but it wasn't anything super serious.

i had been doing yoga with some regularity before this. after i got messed up, i did yoga every morning for at least an hour. after about 2 months, my shoulder felt fine again, except that it couldn't support heavy weights overhead for a while. the shoulder is physically different now. like you can see this protrusion of muscle/flesh coming out that just isn't on the other side. 4 months after the debacle, my shoulder felt compelety fine. i literally have had no problems with it.

i have noticed though that it is more flexible than my other shoulder. i don't know if that's because of the injury or if my other shoulder is just behind. i've been focusing a lot of effort to make them equal. the reason why i think that i may have overused my hurt hand is because of its heightened flexibility - overhead positions are no problem with it nowadays.

because i wanna continue with coach sommer's book how should i change things up? i figure that movements in which the hand is outstretched on the floor puts more pressure on the wrist. thus are the rings safer since i can close my hand? i did planche pushups on the rings today and didn't have any problems. pulling motions feel fine altogether. should i substitute planche work on the ground with more back lever work?

Garrett Smith
12-10-2008, 03:18 PM
Is parallette planche work OK on the wrist/hand or not?

Grissim Connery
12-10-2008, 03:44 PM
my parallettes have a pretty big diamater for my hand. i feel that they have to stretch a bit to secure a grip. because they are a bar, i do feel that i am able to grab tighter and be more secure than on the ground, but for those split seconds where my hand relaxes too much on the paralletes, the uncomfortableness is much more pronounced than it would be on the ground.

i did l-sits on the parallettes today and that felt ok though. my hand probably gets aggravated when the wrist stretches only. that and the muscle ups

Mike ODonnell
12-10-2008, 05:12 PM
Ditch gluten/grains if they are in your diet.

Steven Low
12-10-2008, 06:15 PM
Ditch gluten/grains if they are in your diet.
Ah, that's right. Robb Wolf had a post on carpal tunnel and gluten inflammation a while back. Good call.

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Also, I reread your main post. Sounds like overuse. When I used to come back after a summer of not doing gymnastics, my hands always got extremely sore because we would be back on top of them a lot on pbars, rings, phorse, etc. Generally, if you rest more it tends to go away. This happens for both the pink side of the hand and the thumb muscles.

Now, it could be something more than this, but ditch the handstands for now and a lot of the pressure work on your hands. See if that helps out along with all the other stuff that people have said. I never let it get bad to the point where it hurt to shake someone's hand so it might take a longer time to clear up for you.

Gittit Shwartz
12-10-2008, 10:31 PM
Paralette work hurts my wrist if the pressure is more on the thumb side of the hand (as in planches and handstands; L-sits are OK). I do planche work with the hands turned sideways or backwards. You could try that. It's a slight leverage disadvantage, but it beats injury :)
If you can find Traumeel (homeopathic lotion) then that could help right now. I know some people who swear by it for wrist pain. Massaging it into your hand after the workout = less pain. I also use it to "open up" the palm before putting weight on it - really knead the problem areas and try to "separate" the metacarpals so that the weight spreads more easily.

Grissim Connery
12-11-2008, 12:27 AM
Ditch gluten/grains if they are in your diet.

heh last friday a friend came in town and we went out to eat. we went to this awesome restaurant that serves these giant spinach pies as entrees. although it was delicious, i felt like shit for about 24 hours. aside from that and thanksgiving i've been pretty clean recently. thanksgiving was more sugar than anything else.


[QUOTE=Gittit Shwartz;45244]Paralette work hurts my wrist if the pressure is more on the thumb side of the hand (as in planches and handstands; L-sits are OK). I do planche work with the hands turned sideways or backwards. You could try that. It's a slight leverage disadvantage, but it beats injury :)
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i normally like to warm up most hand balancing motions with an elbow stand with fingers pointing backward toward my feet. i'll normally do cat pose, upward dog, pigeon, and planks with the fingers pointing back because i like how it doesn't pressure my wrist and i can really get a good shoulder rotation warm-up before i go into harder stuff.

come to think of it, i don't think i've ever had that bad feeling where the hand relaxes and then stretches while i point my fingers backward. maybe i'll just try to work planches with that position. dunno about handstands though.

Gittit Shwartz
12-11-2008, 02:52 AM
Handstands are handstands, there's no point in working them with other than good form. But again, the more open your shoulders are the less you'll need to compensate with the wrist.

Grissim Connery
12-11-2008, 03:53 AM
it's finals week, and i'm a kinesthetic learner in many ways, so as a result i normally have to be doing some action while i'm studying. i used to stretch a lot while studying, but recently i've been rolling alot on a lacrosse ball. what i think i've noticed while rolling tonight is that the ammount of flexibilty in that muscley part between the base of the thumb and base of the index finger has significant effect on the amount of pressure that goes on the wrist.

if i really roll that spot out hard and try to extend my fingers out wide and around the ball so that that part of the hand stretches a lot, subsequent hand placement on the floor has a reduced level of pressure on the heel of the hand and wrist. this also took some active concentration to open that part of the hand up while hand balancing.

normally i focus on shoulder movement and it's effect on the wrists, but in the meantime i've neglected viewing the hand as a complex unit. after all, there's a lot of joints in there. with all the focus on foot health and foot rolling, its' strange i hadn't heard more about this.

Mike ODonnell
12-11-2008, 09:49 AM
Ah, that's right. Robb Wolf had a post on carpal tunnel and gluten inflammation a while back. Good call.

Same thing happened to my Bro-in-law, Dr said he needed surgery it was so bad.....his sister had the samething and someone told her to give up gluten and she recovered.....he gave up gluten and whoola, no more pain.

Drinking more beer will do that too......gluten is in beer and people forget to count it.

Garrett Smith
12-11-2008, 10:37 AM
I've seen bilateral carpal tunnel syndrome go away completely by avoiding nightshades.

Grissim Connery
12-11-2008, 12:06 PM
Drinking more beer will do that too......gluten is in beer and people forget to count it.

i actually haven't had beer since 7th grade. i am considering drinking wine over christmas break though. everybody would flip out if i did. i've been straight-edge since early high school.

Mike ODonnell
12-12-2008, 07:11 AM
i've been straight-edge since early high school.

We will corrupt you.....as I went to Catholic school till HS...and then got introduced to college, fraternities, sororities and something called a "funnel"...there was no turning back. Probably the reason I never went pro in my hockey career....that and I am sure a lack of natural talent too. ;)