View Full Version : Abdominal strength testing article at T-Nation

Garrett Smith
01-26-2009, 04:45 PM
Recently posted, not WFS due to bikini pics:

I thought it was an interesting article. I tried both tests out immediately after reading it.

Any "ab" training I do is part of gymnastics strength training. In my self-assessment, I passed both Level 4 tests.

While this could be a valuable screening tool, I found it interesting in the article that the author basically says to "train for the test". I don't think that is necessary or advisable.

Any thoughts? Anyone else try out the tests?

Brandon Oto
01-26-2009, 04:57 PM
These are so easy I feel like I must be missing something.

Chuck Kechter
01-26-2009, 05:06 PM


George Mounce
01-26-2009, 06:44 PM
These are so easy I feel like I must be missing something.

Me too, is this a joke?

Garrett Smith
01-27-2009, 04:23 AM
Maybe BBers abs are really that weak in general.

There's only so much that crunches will do for someone...

Jonathan Dunn
01-27-2009, 05:16 AM

As soon as I read that article yesterday, I got down on the floor to test myself. The tests were easy... all 4 levels. I think all the abdominal training/programming we do, along with the OHS, snatches, C&Js and other total body movements has prepared us well. I think Nick (I believe that is the author of the article) really geared the article towards the BB guys and gals that train body parts in isolation. He even mentioned that a competitive BB could not pass Level 1, but the T-Nation editor did and made it up to Level 3.

I think the test could be valuable training exercises for those that aren't used to doing the movements we do. I also think that the exercises Coach Everett has programmed for us smoke the tests, as they are much more demanding when performed correctly and under load. In a way, we are training for the "tests". With our snatches, C&Js, squats, deadlifts, presses or whatever competitive movement we are doing, we are training the test movements. And it is way more fun doing what we do than doing set after mindless set for your upper back, mid back, lower back, upper pecs, etc, ad naseum (I know, I used to do all that nonsense). I much prefer the functional training and lifting done now. It is fun!!!

Brian DeGennaro
01-27-2009, 05:25 AM
I was hoping to see GHD situps or HLRs or L-sits in there after I saw the title and read it yesterday. I was sorely disappointed with the article because it really just offered you a situp variation and a reverse crunch variation that aren't very difficult.

I still think GHD situps coupled with HLRs/L-sits are the best "core" exercises; you don't need to do much anything else because no matter how good at them you get, they ALWAYS suck.

Mike ODonnell
01-27-2009, 10:26 AM
They going to start selling a new ab strength supplement? OHS in pill form?

Chris Rice
01-27-2009, 04:58 PM
Well - that was a waste of time. All I learned from that is that there must be some very weak people out there.

Garrett Smith
01-27-2009, 05:19 PM
Chris, you could turn it positive and realize you're much stronger than much of the populace...

MOD, that was funny...and sad...

Leo Soubbotine
01-28-2009, 09:47 AM
Those level 4's were hard....(pause)....NOT! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT8uiT_rZ5k)

Allen Yeh
01-28-2009, 10:31 AM
I thought maybe I was doing something wrong.

Patrick Yeung
01-29-2009, 07:36 AM
Oh wow.... I laid down all ready to go, then just sat right up.

Do you think its a flexibility thing? Or are their muscles just so disproportionate (big chest/arms vs tiny legs) that their legs just physically cant stay down.

Garrett Smith
01-29-2009, 08:55 AM
I think it is mainly an issue caused by the BBing training mentality of isolation.

The abs to hip flexor "hand-off" isn't very well developed through attempts to isolate the abdominals...that and the hip flexors aren't visual muscles, so they are often undertrained in relationship to the other core muscles.

Just my opinion.

Brandon Oto
01-31-2009, 02:36 PM
I guess these would be harder if you lock your back in extension and require it to come off the ground as a single piece.