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Kellen Love
01-27-2009, 12:55 PM
So I've searched the forums and this wasn't really addressed. I've been reading Cosgrove, and I like what he has to say. I've also been reading about Ballantyne's turbulence training. Dude is shredded. It also comes with high marks from Cosgrove, who is quoted in a couple of his own articles talking about how great TT is for fat loss. Does anyone have any experience with TT? Any thoughts? It seems similar to Afterburn (which I like), but is also roughly $30 cheaper (which I like because I'm a student). Any experience or related expertise would be much appreciated.

Mike ODonnell
01-27-2009, 02:56 PM
Same principles I believe....supersetting compound movements. You could make your own workout with antagonistic compound movements for free. The shredding comes from eating right.

Andrew Ager
01-27-2009, 03:24 PM
I tried one of the TT bodyweight workouts a few times over the end of December, and I have to say ... I vastly preferred CF Alpha bodyweight workouts. I can see, however, that coming from a different style of training to that kind of thing would really gas someone.

And ditto on shredding coming via eating.

Derek Simonds
01-27-2009, 03:58 PM
I recommended TT to a friend of mine that wasn't really interested in CF. He has had great success with it. I have done several of Craig's workouts and find them to be challenging. He has a good plan if you aren't going the CF route.

I subscribe to his blog and read his updates. I say if you like it go for it.

Mike ODonnell
01-27-2009, 05:35 PM
Kellen, I think the consensus is that many things can and will work....if you stick with it. Whether CF, TT or Cosgrove's stuff....lots of ways, and no way is really better than the other (even if some try to sell it that way). Lastly focus mainly on your nutrition....otherwise you are just wasting your effort in the gym if getting lean and ripped is your goal.

Kellen Love
01-27-2009, 08:16 PM
Thanks for the responses. I get what you're saying, but as many of us know its easier to work out than to eat really well. I need to pick some damn thing and do it and stop looking for new things. There's a time and a place for that.

Dave Van Skike
01-27-2009, 08:18 PM
waste of money....and I haven't even read it. "systems" are a red herring.

Google, a library card and about thirty hours of your TV time will get you everything you need to know about the basics.

here's a sneak preview..

the basics work
there are only three things to work on from a "fitness" perspective
strength work
flexibility mobility
conditioning.
These are constants, they were not invented, trademarked or franchised.

how you look in the mirror is a combination of the above (maybe max 20%) and how you eat (likely 80%+)

Generally, I'd say avoid books by internet fitness dudes but Ross Enamait's books are great because if you're a novice, he tells you the why then the what and lays out good examples of how... plus he's got gobs of real world experience training athletes...and he's not an idiot.

other easy starting books with a strength bias include:

Power to the People
The Complete Keys to Progress
Practical Programming and Starting Strength

Kellen Love
01-27-2009, 10:55 PM
Fair enough. What about a book like Afterburn? People have good experiences with that? I'm just curious and checking out different options.

Kellen Love
01-27-2009, 11:05 PM
I started reading about Ross Enamait and I like what I see so far. I'll have to do more reading when I get a chance, but he looks legit. And his books are more affordable as well.

Derek Weaver
01-27-2009, 11:45 PM
Thanks for the responses. I get what you're saying, but as many of us know its easier to work out than to eat really well. I need to pick some damn thing and do it and stop looking for new things. There's a time and a place for that.

Ahem. I believe the old adage used by Cosgrove himself on occasion is something along the lines of "You can't outwork a crappy diet".

You've got at least 3 responses noting that nutrition is minimum 80% of the equation.

My recommendation is to do what Dave said. Use google and spend some time perusing any number of the thousands of approaches that can be used for fat loss.

TT, Afterburn (which you noted was quite expensive), etc. It doesn't matter. Work out hard (CF.com is free). Coach Rut's blog is good too and he's got a 3x/week MEBB schedule he's putting up right now).

If you must invest... Ross Enaimat is a solid choice.

Mike ODonnell
01-28-2009, 07:49 AM
Thanks for the responses. I get what you're saying, but as many of us know its easier to work out than to eat really well. I need to pick some damn thing and do it and stop looking for new things. There's a time and a place for that.

Bingo....just go do something and focus on eating....you could spend another week debating or lose 3lbs....your choice. :)

Shiny new workouts are out there....to make money....the basics of heavy lifting and eating right have been around for a long time and don't costs a penny.

Don't chase perfection....no such thing....just go do something and enjoy the journey.

Craig Brown
01-28-2009, 08:09 AM
I'll second the: just pick something, and do it. I've done great with CF, great with Super Squats- the rest is diet. If you like Ross, and repect his work, I'd wholeheartedly think about buying Infinite Intensity. Set up at home, do what he has laid out. Dial in you food. Ignore all training advice from anyone but Ross for a few months. The hardest parts are food, and focus. Just decide you'll pick a program and stick to it for a few months. One nice thing with Ross is he's got a coherent method that is pretty cheap on the gear front, as brutally hard as you want it to be, and has a one-stop-shop set up if you choose to use it- there's a tone of folks on his forum using his stuff. In the internet age it's hard to not be continuously moved from program to program to program...I did well with Super Squats because all I did was Squats, Deads, Chins, Dips, and Rows for half a year. I didn't know enough to get bogged down in the minutae.

Butch White
05-24-2009, 12:37 PM
I learned about Ross Enamait's site and books from the recommended reading list in the Resources section of the CA site. I wish I had read Infinite Intensity and Never Gymless years ago - they would have saved me years of doing less productive stuff in the gym.

I haven't read TT but I have read a friend's copy of Afterburn. I would recommend Infinite Intensity over Afterburn ... II is cheaper and contains much more substance regarding training over the long haul. I am confident that the work-outs in II will achieve a similar "afterburn via EPOC" as the complexes that Cosgrove prescribes.

Ross Enamait is legit. Is it wrong for me to have more respect for a coach/trainer that actually excels at the very training he/she prescribes?

David Wallach
05-28-2009, 05:49 AM
I dont mean to sound... um... well here goes: you want to train harder, willing to do hours of reading/research/surfing, PAY(gasp!!) for a workout plan, and postpone your progress for weeks/months because it's "easier" than dedicating yourself to what you put in your body for fuel?!

K., what would you say to someone who said, 'I know heavy cleans are the best thing for me, but I don't like to work so hard, so I am going to do hours of 'cardio' instead'?

I used to weigh 316lbs at 40%BF. I'm 212lbs at about 9% right now, and I can tell you from having tried every shortcut, every diet, every training program on the planet that if you just fuel right, damn near anything will work. Fuel right and do high intensity, infinitely varied, functional movement and you will fry.

cheers,

Chef