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Jane Michel
02-24-2009, 01:58 AM
(Just noticed that Allen has already mentioned VD3.0 and I don't know how to delete this thread!)

Mike ODonnell
02-24-2009, 05:07 AM
ask a mod....didn't see the mention, but I ignore much all what happens at (supplemen)t-nation...let me guess....fantastic results with more pills? Ah, who am I to be upset at a fantastic business strategy.

Gittit Shwartz
02-24-2009, 05:42 AM
I washed my hands of t-nation when Mr. Shugart over-moderated my (polite and carefully worded) post pointing out the undeniable fact that most V-dieters get sick in the second or third week.

Mike ODonnell
02-24-2009, 06:24 AM
I washed my hands of t-nation when Mr. Shugart over-moderated my (polite and carefully worded) post pointing out the undeniable fact that most V-dieters get sick in the second or third week.

They are a business first....disguised as a open forum/non-biased info type of site....I think it was Lyle too that was removed from comments about how unnecessary Surge was.....but really, great business model as it makes them money.....worked for EAS long ago....still works today

I have a personal dislike for the V-diet....as with anything promoting "quick and easy results"....promotes all the wrong ideas on what weight loss should be....nothing to do with realistic lifestyle changes that last.

Gant Grimes
02-24-2009, 06:54 AM
They are a business first....disguised as a open forum/non-biased info type of site....

Who are we talking about here?

Mike ODonnell
02-24-2009, 08:42 AM
Who are we talking about here?

It's a big group in the .com world......

Derek Weaver
02-24-2009, 11:25 AM
They are a business first....disguised as a open forum/non-biased info type of site....I think it was Lyle too that was removed from comments about how unnecessary Surge was.....but really, great business model as it makes them money.....worked for EAS long ago....still works today

I have a personal dislike for the V-diet....as with anything promoting "quick and easy results"....promotes all the wrong ideas on what weight loss should be....nothing to do with realistic lifestyle changes that last.

I think that was Alan Aragon who got into it over there. He's written for them too i think.

Their new VDiet 3.0 thing is pretty cool though.

Mike ODonnell
02-24-2009, 11:37 AM
I think that was Alan Aragon who got into it over there. He's written for them too i think.

Their new VDiet 3.0 thing is pretty cool though.

Yeah, maybe it was Alan....read it on Lyle's blog about the Surge vs Milk debate I think.....oh well.....

Ok I admit....it "looks" very cool....good graphics and I will never complain about a lot of skimpily clad hot women.....minus all the supplement ads of course....seriously I'm just jealous cause I didn't think of that whole strategy first. ;)

George Mounce
02-24-2009, 02:54 PM
I honestly don't see the ingenuity in it...I take that much flax anyways and I'm not dropping 20 pounds of fat per month!

Derek Weaver
02-24-2009, 03:14 PM
Yeah, maybe it was Alan....read it on Lyle's blog about the Surge vs Milk debate I think.....oh well.....

Ok I admit....it "looks" very cool....good graphics and I will never complain about a lot of skimpily clad hot women.....minus all the supplement ads of course....seriously I'm just jealous cause I didn't think of that whole strategy first. ;)

Yeah, I'm just nitpicking with who got after the whole surge vs. chocolate milk thing on the T-Nation forum. Lyle gets after them on occasion on his forum and it's always entertaining when he does.

It is a great business strategy. TC Luoma is a poor man's Bill Phillips (Body For Life was THE first Physique Clinic.

I have a feeling that Biotest's sales numbers for the next few months are going to seriously spike.

I'll admit it, I've been considering the V-Diet for over a year. I'm a bit of a masochist I suppose as I enjoy seeing where my limit is on all sorts of things. It's 28 days, and if it's good enough for Dan John, it's damn well more than good enough for me. We'll see.

Patrick Donnelly
02-24-2009, 05:18 PM
I have a personal dislike for the V-diet....as with anything promoting "quick and easy results"....promotes all the wrong ideas on what weight loss should be....nothing to do with realistic lifestyle changes that last.
I'm fairly certain that the V-Diet doesn't make any claims of being "easy." Quick yes, easy no. Also, I figure that most people who have the willpower to put themselves through it also realize that when the four weeks are up, they've got to stick to a pretty strict diet to maintain it. Your average Krispy Kremer isn't even going to make it to the end of reading the V-Diet, let alone doing it.

Mike ODonnell
02-24-2009, 08:13 PM
I'm fairly certain that the V-Diet doesn't make any claims of being "easy." Quick yes, easy no. Also, I figure that most people who have the willpower to put themselves through it also realize that when the four weeks are up, they've got to stick to a pretty strict diet to maintain it. Your average Krispy Kremer isn't even going to make it to the end of reading the V-Diet, let alone doing it.

No it's not easy....and for that reason I wonder what the % of binge-eating rebound occurs when they switch back to normal food.....that's the real danger. If it makes better habbits and keeps the weight off....it works.......otherwise it could do more harm than good with people who don't control their eating coming off it.

Garrett Smith
02-24-2009, 08:19 PM
I bet a lot of people will buy the supps and never finish (or even start) the diet, just like people join gyms in the New Year and never go.

This will likely be evidenced by the VD 4.0 (new, improved, more super-special supplements that you can't diet without!) coming out in 6-12 months to sucker in a whole new group of consumers...

Derek Weaver
02-24-2009, 09:12 PM
No it's not easy....and for that reason I wonder what the % of binge-eating rebound occurs when they switch back to normal food.....that's the real danger. If it makes better habbits and keeps the weight off....it works.......otherwise it could do more harm than good with people who don't control their eating coming off it.

This is exactly the point of the diet. To instill lifestyle changes and help facilitate a change in one's relationship with food. In effect, to help break the hedonism.

Lyle's article after the New Year on Rapid Fat Loss made note that extreme diets in the beginning can help one stick to a more moderate diet afterwards.

Of course, we all know of plenty of people who went extreme and then rebounded... it's a plague on the U.S. dieting public....

Garrett Smith
02-25-2009, 05:21 AM
Put simply, I couldn't/wouldn't be able to do 35 shakes in a row before I finally got to eat real food.

Also, let's not forget, one of the intentions of the VD is to create a pattern (addiction?) of one shake a day for good.

Why do I think that people get sick like Gittit said within a couple week of starting from all the sucralose and other artificial stuff in the Biotest supps?

Gittit Shwartz
02-25-2009, 05:47 AM
FWIW... I wasn't using Biotest stuff and no thermogenics, even cut the coffee down to 2x/week. I used whey sweetened with acuselfume-K, flax seeds, fish oil, and cinnamon, that's it. Whatever, it might also be what's missing from the diet rather than what's in it.

The first time I did it, I got dizzy/faint spells after 3 weeks and rebounded to the tune of 30lbs. The second time I got mono.

I actually thought it was the easiest thing to do. I was never hungry and the shakes tasted better than dry chicken breast and cabbage. No cooking, no hassle, no calorie counting. I suppose it might be all right as an experiment if you have no history of eating disorders, enough fat to lose and a bulletproof immune system, and are rational enough to heed warning signs and stop if you need to.

Mike ODonnell
02-25-2009, 09:46 AM
This is exactly the point of the diet. To instill lifestyle changes and help facilitate a change in one's relationship with food. In effect, to help break the hedonism.

Lyle's article after the New Year on Rapid Fat Loss made note that extreme diets in the beginning can help one stick to a more moderate diet afterwards.

Of course, we all know of plenty of people who went extreme and then rebounded... it's a plague on the U.S. dieting public....

I didn't look at all the details of the new version....but does it transition to at least moving into whole foods towards the end of the diet? I don't think drinking shakes all day is going to instill anything but a dependence on shakes. People are so OCD and extreme nowadays....so they will starve themselves until they get sick or just quit and dive face first into a bakery window....slow and steady has always worked...but then again, it doesn't sell very well.

Arien Malec
02-25-2009, 10:22 AM
I didn't look at all the details of the new version....but does it transition to at least moving into whole foods towards the end of the diet?

There's a reintroduction section in the new version: start by adding a solid meal every day, gradually add more solid meals, etc.

Derek Weaver
02-25-2009, 01:44 PM
The transition phase has been there for a while. Along with the Healthy Solid Meal. The V-Diet isn't the only diet like this.

A couple of people who I work with just got done with a 16 week plan (you read that right, 16 weeks, liquid). On week 17 they got to reintroduce food (all paleo choices as it turns out, though they don't know it by the term) and have noted that meat and veggies is more satisfying than they could imagine. They've said sweets would make them sick and send them into a tailspin.

Their plan is expensive, but it comes with follow up consultations to ensure long term adherence and success.

The V-Diet is mild by several other standards.

George Mounce
02-25-2009, 01:55 PM
The V-diet is Slimfast for the bodybuilders. Slimfast has been doing this for years....Shake for breakfast, shake for lunch, then a healthy dinner...sound familiar?

Derek Weaver
02-25-2009, 06:23 PM
The V-diet is Slimfast for the bodybuilders. Slimfast has been doing this for years....Shake for breakfast, shake for lunch, then a healthy dinner...sound familiar?

I halfway expect Tommy Lasorda to show up on the T-Nation website.