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Matthieu Hertilus
04-01-2009, 12:13 PM
I was hoping to get people's opinions on this since I want a shoe to workout in but I can aslo wear on the go. I do a lot of powerlifting/o-lifting type training so I was hoping for any and all advice/recommendations on good sneakers I can invest in. I was thinking of the Nike Free Everyday (http://www.runnersworld.com/cda/shoefinder_detail/1,,s6-240-325-329-0-0-0-0-1452,00.html) for starters. What do you all think?

Garrett Smith
04-01-2009, 01:36 PM
The new Nike Frees are so different from the old ones it's astonishing. With the 3.0s, you can completely roll them up from front to back, they are that flexible.

The newer ones look pretty much like regular running shoes to me. They definitely would squish during any lifting, they have since put Nike Air back into the thick heels!

I'd say the Asics Onitsuka Tiger Tai Chi, Vivo Barefoots, or Vibrams would be best.

Matthieu Hertilus
04-01-2009, 02:11 PM
http://www.kellysrunningwarehouse.com/cgi-bin/affiliate/krw/product.jsp?baseProdKey=KYNIK1016&BV_SessionID=@@@@0449165486.1238620053@@@@&BV_EngineID=eadefiiegemjbekgcgecfeedh.0

3 things:
Are these the new or old ones you were referring to?
Either way, do you think this is a fair compromise between the old and new models?
I've heard that you need to get a half size to one full size larger than your regular shoe size. Im normally about a 9.5 or 10 so should I take my chances with the 9.5 since that all they have?

Thank you again for your help and I look forward to everyone else's input

Garrett Smith
04-01-2009, 02:46 PM
Those aren't the newest ones, and they aren't the old ones I'm speaking of.

It's a decent compromise, but they still have a heck of a heel to them.

I've always worn a 10.5 in Adidas street shoes, my Nike Free 3.0s that I'm wearing now are 10.5, I believe my Nike Free 7.0s are also 10.5. I believe my Adidas WL shoes are 10s. Hope that helps.

Personally, I wouldn't lift in any of my Nike Frees that I've owned other than the 7.0 Trainers...the higher the number, the "less like barefoot" the shoes are. Thus the highest number they made (7.0) is the most stable for lifting IMO.

Matthieu Hertilus
04-01-2009, 02:49 PM
In general, whats the drawback to those types of heels? Is it a performance detriment or more a comfort thing?

Garrett Smith
04-01-2009, 03:00 PM
The only (men's) shoes that should have raised heels IMO are WL shoes.

Raised heels ruin posture over time by shifting the body forward, which must then be compensated for further up the chain. While we aren't talking about high heels here, this article discusses the issues with raised heels: http://www.bodyzone.com/custom/alexander4.html

Heels on shoes also make for a worse starting position for DLs.

The less we put between our feet and the ground, IMO, the better off we are foot-health-wise.

Allen Yeh
04-01-2009, 03:03 PM
I've been a big fan of the Nike Free shoes but I recently bought a pair of everydays and was less than impressed. They are more like a regular Nike than anything else.

The heel isn't the problem when it comes to weightlifting, it's the squishy heel that isn't recommended. However I'd caveat this that many people lift in sneakers and survive the experience (myself included). Is it optimal? No, I'd prefer to powerlift in flats or wrestling shoes and Oly in my Do-wins but for metcons and other things I'd do that in my Free's. For those that have not amassed such a large collection of shoes over the years I'd say go with something that is the less of a shoe.

I'd caution you on the sizing, even every model of Free has been slightly different than the others, I've gotten stuck a few times with ones that were either too small or too big, although too big works better than too small.I'd usually have to go a half size up and even then it wouldn't always work.

Matthieu Hertilus
04-01-2009, 03:03 PM
interesting, looks like ive got some research to do. would love to continue discussing this, i'll post again soon

Allen Yeh
04-01-2009, 03:07 PM
I'd also comment that as of 2 weeks ago I made the switch to Vibram Five Fingers, only for working out, not brave enough to wear them out and about yet. I haven't had a really good chance to use them as today was my first workout since buying them.

Garrett Smith
04-01-2009, 03:43 PM
As soon as I get some more pairs of toe socks, my Vibrams will become my everyday shoes, right now I only wear them on weekends due to a toe sock shortage...

If you get the all-black ones with the black socks, they are less noticeable.

Chris Forbis
04-01-2009, 03:48 PM
You might want to read this article: http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance/go_barefoot_to_get_stronger

Personally, I am wary of heavy squatting to great depth barefoot or in barefoot mimicking shoes. I go barefoot/Fivefingers in my gym for everything but squatting. For squats I wear my weightlifting shoes.

I really like the Sanuk brand that is mentioned in the link above. Super comfy and minimalist.

Joe Hart
04-01-2009, 03:51 PM
Come on Allen...I have worn one pair of 5 fingers out wearing them in public. It does make for a good conversation piece. I would wear them all the time if it weren't for the snow in MN. Back to the thread...I have a pair of Free 5.0 trainers. Bought them when they first came out. Kind of ugly but they work. I only do METCONs in them. I have kicked around the idea of wrestling shoes too.

Leo Soubbotine
04-01-2009, 04:02 PM
Asics Onitsuka Tigers gets my vote hands down.

We now have at least 10 folks wearing them at our place :D

Garrett Smith
04-01-2009, 05:30 PM
Personally, I am wary of heavy squatting to great depth barefoot or in barefoot mimicking shoes. I go barefoot/Fivefingers in my gym for everything but squatting. For squats I wear my weightlifting shoes.

I really like the Sanuk brand that is mentioned in the link above. Super comfy and minimalist.
Agreed on both points.

Donald Lee
04-01-2009, 10:14 PM
As soon as I get some more pairs of toe socks, my Vibrams will become my everyday shoes, right now I only wear them on weekends due to a toe sock shortage...

If you get the all-black ones with the black socks, they are less noticeable.

My all-black VFF Flows look like gorilla feet on me when I wear them with pants. They look quite stylish when I'm wearing shorts though, which I just started doing last week.

And the socks are overpriced. Injiji has a damn monopoly on plain colored, normal sized toe socks. I bought ten pairs of white socks. Every one of them has gotten a permanent brown/grey stain on the bottom after wearing them once.

Dave Van Skike
04-02-2009, 08:33 AM
Asics Onitsuka Tigers gets my vote hands down.

We now have at least 10 folks wearing them at our place :D

adidas sambas, use them for pretty much everyhting except squatting including walking/conditioning stuff with vest.

Garrett Smith
04-02-2009, 09:24 AM
My all-black VFF Flows look like gorilla feet on me when I wear them with pants. They look quite stylish when I'm wearing shorts though, which I just started doing last week.

And the socks are overpriced. Injiji has a damn monopoly on plain colored, normal sized toe socks. I bought ten pairs of white socks. Every one of them has gotten a permanent brown/grey stain on the bottom after wearing them once.
There's always the rainbow-colored toe socks on EBay...:p

Actually, I refer to my VFFs as my "gorilla feet". Patients have all gotten a kick out of them (not literally..).

Donald Lee
04-02-2009, 10:11 AM
There's always the rainbow-colored toe socks on EBay...:p

Actually, I refer to my VFFs as my "gorilla feet". Patients have all gotten a kick out of them (not literally..).

HAHA. People are always fascinated when I wiggle my toes.

If it weren't for the price, I think it would catch on more.

Timothy Holmes
04-02-2009, 03:03 PM
I love my Dunlop Volleys (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunlop_Volleys). I use them for everything, and they're so cheap! They might be available only in Australia, though.

Now that I'm in Canada, I'm definitely getting a pair of VFFs.

Matthieu Hertilus
04-03-2009, 01:44 PM
So by the looks of all your replys it would seems as though anything classified as a sneaker would be out of the question? If not, what would you classify as a traditional sneaker (i.e. cross trainer, running [stability, motion control, etc.], basketball, etc) that is the least harmfl? It would seem as though thats the best way to look at it. I may just buy a good sneaker and lift barefoot at this rate.

Allen Yeh
04-03-2009, 05:40 PM
IMO, the asics mentioned would be a good choice, so would the adidas sambas, nike free if you want to go with a sneaker show that can double as a everyday shoe.

Timothy Scalise
04-03-2009, 05:58 PM
most of the powerlifters I worked with at my old gym used chucks or work boots.

Matthieu Hertilus
04-04-2009, 11:50 AM
Would these count even though they fall under the category of being basketball shoes: http://www.converse.com/index.aspx?&CSID=44&kwid=converse#productdetail

And are these acceptable: http://www.converse.com/index.aspx?&CSID=44&kwid=converse#productdetail

http://www.converse.com/index.aspx?&CSID=44&kwid=converse#productdetail

Timothy Scalise
04-04-2009, 11:58 AM
well none of those links lead me to anything specific you might be looking at. The powerlifters told me they use chucks because the soles didnt give there were solid. same with the work boots, also the work boots have a bit of a heel wich leads you to the same thing that weightlifting shoes do, just not as specificly designed. the never used any crosstraining shoes, basketball, or any type of shoe that had a soft heel that would give for deadlifting, squating or just about anything. they would use the crosstrainers if they ever did any form of cardio (wich was rare lol). I use weightlifting shoes but I train for weightlifting, other than that a good ole pair of black chucks is what I would use.

Matthieu Hertilus
04-04-2009, 12:23 PM
sorry about that, here the links to some converse (non chucks) that i thought might be acceptable. what does everyone think?

http://www.eastbay.com/catalog/productdetail.cfm?model_nbr=95841&sku=106979&SID=8032&inceptor=1&cm_mmc=SEO-_-Feeds-_-Froogle-_-null

http://images.google.com/images?client=opera&rls=en&q=converse%20volitant&sourceid=opera&oe=utf-8&um=1&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&client=opera&rls=en&um=1&sa=1&q=converse+showtime&btnG=Search+Images&aq=f&oq=

This one im iffy on, it may be thte best one but in terms of style im not sold on: http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&client=opera&rls=en&um=1&sa=1&q=converse+pro+team+extensions&btnG=Search+Images&aq=f&oq=

Timothy Scalise
04-04-2009, 06:29 PM
I mean the style and all is really up to you... if your going to use them for heavy lifting type of things then you just dont want it to have a give. so solid sole shoes. if your going to use it for running or other things like that then yes you want some cushion, but if squatting and pulling weights is your goal I say solid sole is the only way to go.