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Gittit Shwartz
04-09-2009, 11:35 AM
Lately my digestion is poor in general, and I've especially noticed I have no appetite for meat. Sometimes just the thought makes me nauseous. I've resorted to drinking two whey shakes a day to keep protein intake up, and I take Betaine HCl with the meat I do eat. Eggs are okay, sometimes make me a little uncomfortable, and I don't do dairy (try not to).

Does anyone know of a reason for this to happen? Does it make sense to just "listen to my body" and back off the protein for a little while? I currently get 100-120g (at 140 lbs bodyweight). I sort of feel digestion may be taking more of the energy I'm low on anyway.

Background for those who don't know me: I'm struggling with fatigue and hypothyroid symptoms, though not on treatment. Not very active currently, due to fatigue... 2-3 strength training sessions a week max. Had the conventional treatment for H. Pylori a few months ago.

Garrett Smith
04-09-2009, 12:36 PM
Is it meat or could it be fats in general?

Gittit Shwartz
04-09-2009, 02:29 PM
Could be... But why would that happen? I always did well on low carb/high fat. I guess I could try eating less fat.

Garrett Smith
04-09-2009, 09:44 PM
Fat issues in general could point to a liver/gallbladder issue. That's why I asked. You don't have to necessarily go low-fat, other than to contrast it with when you eat "high-fat" meals.

George Mounce
04-10-2009, 05:32 AM
Not very active currently, due to fatigue... 2-3 strength training sessions a week max.

Thats still very active. Take a week off while you figure this out. Fatigue and digestion problems are signs of overtraining. Go for a walk if you want to go do something during your week off.

Gittit Shwartz
04-10-2009, 07:11 AM
Thats still very active. Take a week off while you figure this out. Fatigue and digestion problems are signs of overtraining. Go for a walk if you want to go do something during your week off.

This is after a couple of weeks off.

Mike ODonnell
04-10-2009, 08:38 AM
I second the high fat issue......as I love meats like bacon and eggs....but the thought of downing a ton of olive oil makes me want to gag.

Craig Loizides
04-10-2009, 01:07 PM
I think you can back off the protein for a day or 2 and see how you feel. If it was me I'd eat a lot of pizza and drink some beer.

Jane Michel
04-11-2009, 04:37 AM
Lately my digestion is poor in general, and I've especially noticed I have no appetite for meat. Sometimes just the thought makes me nauseous. I've resorted to drinking two whey shakes a day to keep protein intake up, and I take Betaine HCl with the meat I do eat. Eggs are okay, sometimes make me a little uncomfortable, and I don't do dairy (try not to).

Does anyone know of a reason for this to happen? Does it make sense to just "listen to my body" and back off the protein for a little while? I currently get 100-120g (at 140 lbs bodyweight). I sort of feel digestion may be taking more of the energy I'm low on anyway.

Background for those who don't know me: I'm struggling with fatigue and hypothyroid symptoms, though not on treatment. Not very active currently, due to fatigue... 2-3 strength training sessions a week max. Had the conventional treatment for H. Pylori a few months ago.

I'm not an expert but once in a while I have no appetite for meat either and I'll have vegetables, veg soup or veg stew, maybe together with mushrooms and tofu, and maybe some fruit also. I'd go with listening to the body.

Mike ODonnell
04-11-2009, 10:42 AM
In the end....the body is a pretty damn smart machine....and will tell us what is in the best interests of itself....that is if we actually listen. :)

Body says no meat or fat....probably a good idea to take a break and then slowly get back into it.

Don't piss off the liver or gallbladder.....only got one of each and no spares.

Gittit Shwartz
04-11-2009, 10:57 AM
In the end....the body is a pretty damn smart machine....and will tell us what is in the best interests of itself....that is if we actually listen. :)

Body says no meat or fat....probably a good idea to take a break and then slowly get back into it.

Don't piss off the liver or gallbladder.....only got one of each and no spares.

What about overweight people whose deranged body is telling them they NEED sugar? Not saying the "wisdom of the body" is useless, but unless you're a hunter-gatherer with an intact metabolism living in a pristine world, it should be listened to with caution.

OK, is there any way I can test the liver/gallbladder to see if they're OK? Dr. G?

Also, could there be a problem with protein itself regardless of the source? As I wrote above I'm relying on whey powder to keep up my normal protein intake. It doesn't cause any immediate problems, but I wonder.

Mike ODonnell
04-11-2009, 12:41 PM
What about overweight people whose deranged body is telling them they NEED sugar? Not saying the "wisdom of the body" is useless, but unless you're a hunter-gatherer with an intact metabolism living in a pristine world, it should be listened to with caution..

The body and it's internal communications were meant for a world from long ago.....if you want to throw in today's crappy food choices and stressful environments along with severe metabolic disorders (insulin resistance esp) then yes it can all go to hell with mixed signals and incorrect interpretations. Overweight people tend to crave sugar because they are stuck in a blood sugar rollercoaster. Normalize their eating and their cravings can reset and come under control (unless of course they are mentally attached to eating something....which is a whole 'nother issue altogether).

The body cravings for sugar is from natural sources like fruit (as the internal feedback loop was designed long ago before anything else was available)........not cookies, Coke and ice cream.

The computer isn't broken internally.....it sometimes just gets a virus and needs a little rebooting.

Also most people in today's world overly crave sugar because of the excessive mental stress demand for it....as cortisol demands more blood sugar for the brain which is a glucose hog...it wants more to keep going at such a high rate of exertion. The mind and body is not designed for the chronic stress we are trying to give it in today's world just because we think "more is better" all the time.

I don't think you need a test for the gallbladder just because you lost an appetite for fatty meats, just give it a break especially if your diet was high in fat before all this started. Then slowly add back in some fat and see how it all goes.

Garrett Smith
04-11-2009, 03:02 PM
Gittit,
The easy way to test this is to do a relatively low-fat diet for a day or two, then "stress" the system with a high-fat meal (if it is lower in protein, then you can see what the effects of fat are relatively alone, ie. veggies cooked in a good amount of oil and maybe some nut butter with it).

As far as the liver, you should first get a basic CMP (Comprehensive Metabolic Panel) bloodwork done...make sure they do a GGT and an Alkaline Phosphatase as part of it.

Gittit Shwartz
04-13-2009, 06:26 AM
Thanks for all the suggestions. I've cut back on fat a bit and I do feel better. We'll see how it goes.