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Matthieu Hertilus
04-09-2009, 01:21 PM
I'm sure a lot of you can tell me about the experience of competing in o'lifting and/or powerlifting, but I'd like to get an idea of where I stand in terms of competing on a regular basis and really competing to win. From your experiences, I'd like to know where I need improvement or if I should stll be trying to get just a base line level of strength first. Appreciate the input.

5'6", ~170lbs
Best Squat: 405lbs
Best Deadlift: 425lbs
Best Bench (not exactly sure on this one since I havent benched in a while): 275 lbs

Best Clean and Jerk: 225lbs
Best Snatch(mostly been working on technique to get comfortable with it): 155lbs.

Dave Van Skike
04-09-2009, 01:41 PM
I'm sure a lot of you can tell me about the experience of competing in o'lifting and/or powerlifting, but I'd like to get an idea of where I stand in terms of competing on a regular basis and really competing to win. From your experiences, I'd like to know where I need improvement or if I should stll be trying to get just a base line level of strength first. Appreciate the input.

5'6", ~170lbs
Best Squat: 405lbs
Best Deadlift: 425lbs
Best Bench (not exactly sure on this one since I havent benched in a while): 275 lbs

Best Clean and Jerk: 225lbs
Best Snatch(mostly been working on technique to get comfortable with it): 155lbs.

if that was a full depth squat and the bench was at least touched, I bet you could go out and enjoy a PL contest right now. depending on turnout possibly even medal in a small contest...not that you should make it your goal but a PR in a meet is 90000% better than any gym lift.

Chris Falkner
04-09-2009, 06:51 PM
I dont mean to jack your thread but what are good numbers for the different wt classes. I would like to see myself compete at 69KG what would be respectable numbers to be putting up?

Gavin Harrison
04-09-2009, 07:48 PM
Chris... what sport??

Derek Weaver
04-09-2009, 08:24 PM
I'm sure a lot of you can tell me about the experience of competing in o'lifting and/or powerlifting, but I'd like to get an idea of where I stand in terms of competing on a regular basis and really competing to win. From your experiences, I'd like to know where I need improvement or if I should stll be trying to get just a base line level of strength first. Appreciate the input.

5'6", ~170lbs
Best Squat: 405lbs
Best Deadlift: 425lbs
Best Bench (not exactly sure on this one since I havent benched in a while): 275 lbs

Best Clean and Jerk: 225lbs
Best Snatch(mostly been working on technique to get comfortable with it): 155lbs.

What Dave said. Your PL numbers are freaking solid. Oly numbers aren't too shabby either, especially that C&J. I suck at oly lifts myself and am thus thoroughly impressed by your efforts.

Depending on exactly what weight class you competed in I'd wager a guess that you could medal.

Dave Van Skike
04-09-2009, 08:32 PM
here is a link to the USAPL raw records. in your weight class, 181, the national record for juniors is really low at 350ish. the next class up it's 479 which is about where i'd expect it. most of the really good lifters are in gear but a 500 raw back squat to USAPl depth and rules is pretty damn good even at 200bw.

http://www.usapowerlifting.com/records/american/men-raw.htm

Kevin Parsons
04-09-2009, 08:36 PM
At 170lbs. the PL #'s are def. respectable. Like Dave mentioned, it will be crucial to train w/ someone you can trust to really watch your form/depth and also get some video. From what I have seen at the gym I train at, probably 95% of the bench press attempts would be no good in a competition. If you are going to compete in a "stop and go" bench competition it could take several sessions to feel comfortable, at least that was my experience! I never did the chest bounce thing when I benched, but I did more of a "touch and go" and it was quite a bit different than stop and go!

Good luck with it if you decide to do it and keep us posted!

Matthieu Hertilus
04-10-2009, 10:59 AM
What Dave said. Your PL numbers are freaking solid. Oly numbers aren't too shabby either, especially that C&J. I suck at oly lifts myself and am thus thoroughly impressed by your efforts.

Depending on exactly what weight class you competed in I'd wager a guess that you could medal.
Thanks for the input and advice everyone, I really appreciate it. I just feel at 22, with my passion for athletics and lifting weights (powerlifting and weightlifting), I feel as though I "need" to be doing something with it, and hopefully it turns ino something big. If you told me I could lift weights as a living and have enough to eat, sleep and pay my bills...I'd consider myself the luckiest guy on the planet, but I'm getting ahead of myself so one step at a time. I'll keep everyone updated and hopefully I can make some things happen. Thanks again for the advice and input...keep it coming, good/ bad/ constructive/ whatever it is, it all helps.

Matthieu Hertilus
04-23-2009, 12:11 PM
This may sound like a silly question but do I need a specific type of singlet to compete in weightlifting events? Do they differ from the type used in powerlifting and track (sprint) events?

Brian Lawyer
04-23-2009, 12:56 PM
Most meets keep record sheets and post online. Maybe someone can give us some links. I know you can pull up stats on the USAW website but those are Olympic athletes mostly. When I was researching a meet last year in Austin, TX I found a website that posted everyone's lifts from the year before and I think I would have been around 10 or 11 in my weight class.

John Alston
04-23-2009, 04:14 PM
You need to join a team and get in a meet already. You can't learn anything about competing on the freaking internet. There are Jersey teams, you're welcome to out to Lost Battalion in Queens. There's a meet in Jersey first weekend in May. Just do it already and quit worrying about your clothes or where you rank because until you do it once you rank below anyone who's ever done it.

Kevin Perry
04-23-2009, 04:39 PM
East Coast Gold has stats from their lifters from the past few years, you can check those out.

Don Stevenson
04-23-2009, 06:34 PM
I second the calls to get your ass on a platform and compete.

Don't worry about whether or not your numbers are competitive or not just find a club and someone who'll coach you in your first comp and get going. No one in the sport cares what you lift first time out, all they care is that you are interested enough to have a go.

For weightlifting the rules say that you need a once piece suit that leaves your knees and elbows exposed but at smaller club comps first time lifters will often get away with wearing shorts and a T shirt that fit the same criteria

Garrett Smith
04-23-2009, 08:43 PM
Do the comp. In my first OL meet I believe there were two other guys in my weight class both trying to qualify for Nationals, so even "competing to win" was well beyond me. It was an awesome experience anyway.

Gant Grimes
04-23-2009, 11:34 PM
Sack up and sign up. It's what separates those who train from those who just work out.

OLY meets are the best environments in sports for first time competitors. In my first meet, the other lifters were extremely helpful to me. They advised me about starting weights, jumps, time between lifts, warmups, etc.

In my first judo comp, the other guys just kicked my ass.

Garrett Smith
04-24-2009, 06:17 AM
Almost forgot...I did my first comp. in t-shirt and shorts. This time, I will finally be getting some use out of my old triathlon (sleeveless, knee-length) singlet again!

glennpendlay
04-24-2009, 08:26 AM
I am taking a group of young kids to Amarillo tomorrow to a competition. Mostly beginners. On the low side, a few of them can barely do the lifts legally. On the high side, fairly proficient in technique, but not strong.

I could care less how they "place" or "rank". There are things you can ONLY learn by competing.

I would encourage everyone to compete as early as possible, compete as often as possible, etc. I would have a meet here every Saturday if I had the facilities for it.

Most people put way too much importance on how well they will do, really overestimate the importance of how they do in their first meet. Better to just go and have fun. Put up some numbers and have fun doing it.

Competitions are fun, especially if you are a beginner and have the right mindset. If your on Team USA and at the Pan Americans representing your country, in some hot and humid arena in the middle of Guatemala, have an unfriendly audience, have been "escorted" by guys with M-16's to guard you from the gangs and kidnappers for 5 days, and are going out for your third lift which will vault you into gold over some socialist Venezuelan bastard, then its a different experience, rewarding in its own way, but not what id call "fun". But if your a beginner, dont ramp the stress level up to the above scenario for no reason. Just go out, lift weights, put some numbers up, have a good time and establish a baseline to beat next time out.

glenn

Brian Lawyer
04-24-2009, 02:19 PM
You need to join a team and get in a meet already. You can't learn anything about competing on the freaking internet.

Matheiu, You sound a lot like me. You study books, read a lot of info on the forums, ask lot's of questions, and do digital coaching. But you still need a coach. I have a local coach who I at least touch base with once a month. I think he considers me part of his "team" although I do the majority of my training on my own. I've been lucky enough to hook up with Glenn Pendlay for a few training sessions.

Sack up and sign up. It's what separates those who train from those who just work out.

OLY meets are the best environments in sports for first time competitors. In my first meet, the other lifters were extremely helpful to me. They advised me about starting weights, jumps, time between lifts, warmups, etc.

In my first judo comp, the other guys just kicked my ass.
I agree with what Gant said. But competing in a O'Lift meet is slightly different than martial arts. I was on an MMA kick for several years and over that time period had about 5 very amateur tournament fights. You really, really have to trust your coaches when you are talking about getting in the ring against someone else. They need to get you the right matchup for your experience level and give you good ring side advice etc.

As Glenn noted above, O'lifting has some level of excitement but not the same as hand to hand combat against another man. To me there is somewhat less of a risk with O'lifting so just sign up for a competition and do it. Still helps to have a coach as noted above.
I could care less how they "place" or "rank". There are things you can ONLY learn by competing.

I would encourage everyone to compete as early as possible, compete as often as possible, etc. I would have a meet here every Saturday if I had the facilities for it.

I'm agree with Glenn. Right now O'Lifting is my new hobby. I have no expectation to make it to the 2012 Olympics but I plan to get in any local meets I can while I am on this O'Lifting kick. My first competition is May 9.

I am not quite ready yet to give up competing and live life vicariously through my two boys. Although, I do see that day coming in the near future.

Jonathan Dunn
04-24-2009, 05:14 PM
Mateiu,

Not to sound like a broken record, but enter a local meet and compete! I only recently entered my first powerlifting competition. It was a blast! I so wished I had not waited until I was 35 before I started this awesome, life changing sport. I can't wait to find a local OL meet to sign up for. Something about a competitive environment that brings out the best in me. And having at least 3 judges critique your every lift brings a new meaning to a PR (just try squatting with a SQUAT, RACK command and bench with a START, PRESS and RACK command. Take your best lifts and subtract about 30 pounds from each). I bet only about 2% of the lifts I see in the gym would pass. I now have true numbers on which to build.

Also, there were about a 100 lifters at the meet I attended. Not 1 competitor wasn't cheering another on to his or her best lift! Amazing. How many times has a receiver or back encouraged you to hit him as hard as you can? And then high 5 you when you did? So many guys were even giving me tips on how to best setup for my lifts to maximize my really long arms and legs (great for deadlifting, but sucks for benching and squatting).

Sign up and go lift! Make it a goal to go 6 for 6 in OL or 9 for 9 in PL. Start with a weight you know you can do, do a very challenging weight and then pick a weight that is a new PR for you. Just be sure to get 1 "white light" lift in each of the lifts so that you can continue competing.

Get a good coach/ mentor, have fun and train hard and smart.

Dan Heaney
04-29-2009, 01:37 AM
On March 23:

446 squat
341 bench
545 dead
1,333 total @ 198

Gavin Harrison
04-29-2009, 10:57 PM
On March 23:

446 squat
341 bench
545 dead
1,333 total @ 198

Federation / Gear / etc? Good work by the way.. :)

Brian Lawyer
05-05-2009, 07:45 AM
My first competition is this Saturday May 9. The plan for this week was to do 5 singles up to my last warmup lift on Monday and 4 singles up to my second to last warmup lift on Wednesday. I couldn't resist not doing anything last Sunday so I did 5 sets of 10 squat jumps to a 20" box. That was a huge mistake. My hamstrings are still sore today.

If any of you all know that soreness you get in your hams from Straight Leg Deadlifts that can last for several days. That is the same soreness I got from doing these squat jumps. I had no idea plyometrics would do that to me. A 20" box doesn't seem like much but I always try to elevate my whole body above the 20" rather than just doing a little tuck jump onto the box. The first two sets of 10, I started at the top then squatted and jumped. For the last 3 sets of 10, I started in the squat position and then just exploded up.

Anyways, the soreness really killed my Monday night workout. I missed a couple really easy snatches that I usually never miss in practice. Hopefully I will be fully functional by Wednesday night so I can take my 4 warmup reps with each exercise and gain some confidence back before the competition this weekend.

garrett stack
05-06-2009, 02:11 AM
Brian probably doesent help now , but I got the same soreness you describe the first time I tried box jumps but I have never had it since.

Garrett Smith
05-06-2009, 06:21 AM
Brian,
Don't go adding new exercises the week before a meet. Lesson learned, hopefully!

Brian Lawyer
05-06-2009, 07:48 AM
Brian,
Don't go adding new exercises the week before a meet. Lesson learned, hopefully!

I know. I didn't think it was that "new" of an exercise. I have done the box jumps before. Just not the squat type box jumps as I described above. Plus I have never done in that volume before. Usually just 2 sets of 10.

Brian Lawyer
05-09-2009, 06:41 PM
Unfortunately I have nothing spectacular to report from my first competition. I weighed in at 92kg. I did a 100kg snatch and 120 CJ for a 220 total. I have done 105kg snatch before in practice and 120 CJ in practice before. So no PR results.

I almost thought I was going to totally embarass myself when I missed my opening snatch. I felt real rushed and it's so wierd in front of an audience. So I missed 95kg. But then I regained my composure and threw up 95lbs. Then I did 100kg real easily. If I wouldn't have blown my first lift I am sure I could have done 105kg or 106kg on my third.

I opened with a 115 cj real easily, then 120 pretty easily, and then 125 I don't know what I did. I think the adrenaline was going so much I pulled it clear up to my adams apple both my hands flew of the bar and it just kind of bounced off me and hit the ground. Total disaster. I think my wife got some video of the CJ's.

The best part of the competition was I got to see Glenn Pendlay's young prospect, Caleb Ward. I don't remember what his lifts were but they were insane. I think it was like a 130kg snatch and 145 CJ or something. He made 5 out of 6 and only missed his 6 because his back shoe flew off on the split jerk.

glennpendlay
05-09-2009, 08:00 PM
Brian, your lifts were COMPETITION records, which is different than training records. In training, if your hand flys off the bar, you can try again, in competition, you cant. You have to hit it the first time. It is normal for beginners to have much higher training records than competition records for a while because of this, they are too inconsistent to hit the same lifts when they only get one chance at it.

I thought you did really well, if you can stay on your heals better when pulling, and dip and drive straight on every attempt like you did on the 120 (most of your warmups and your 115 were not straight dips) you should be looking at 110/135 in the very near future.

And FYI, caleb hit 140/145/150 on his three snatch attempts, and 170/180/190 on his three clean and jerk attempts. On the 190, he cleaned it easy and caught the jerk strongly, only to have his back shoe come about half off, his heal came completely out of it and touched the platform... no way to recover. we were taking it easy, doing third attemps with what his projected openers will be at worlds. None of the lifts were hard in spite of being done at the end of a heavy week of training with no taper.

I also had some other kids do well. I took 17 kids and every one except caleb made at least one personal record, and obviously caleb lifted light on purpose. I was very pleased with the kids that opted to go to this meet. PR's are contagious, and once the youngest and lightest kids started making them, everyone got psyched up and made them.

And special props to my son William for doing 20kg snatch and 26kg clean and jerk, both competition PR's. He missed the jerk on his second attempt clean and jerk at 23kg, and had the guts to move up for a PR and go and attack it and make it convincingly. Way to go William! We'll be putting another nail in the bedroom wall for your new gold medal at the prestigeous Van Alstyne open held at the spacious and opulent Van Alstyne fine arts and convention center!

One other gutsy comeback that derserves mentioning was Antonio Torres, an 8 year old who missed badly with a 38kg clean and jerk on his second, only to come back and make maybe the best clean and jerk I have ever seen him do with 38 on his third. Way to go Antonio!

Our kids have lots of fight!

glenn

Garrett Smith
05-10-2009, 07:19 AM
Brian, my openers on both lifts haven't felt right in both of my meets so far, that's why I like a very doable weight.

Brian Lawyer
05-10-2009, 10:52 AM
...And FYI, caleb hit 140/145/150 on his three snatch attempts, and 170/180/190 on his three clean and jerk attempts..... None of the lifts were hard in spite of being done at the end of a heavy week of training with no taper.....And special props to my son William for doing 20kg snatch and 26kg clean and jerk, both competition PR's. He missed the jerk on his second attempt clean and jerk at 23kg, and had the guts to move up for a PR and go and attack it and make it convincingly. Way to go William! We'll be putting another nail in the bedroom wall for your new gold medal at the prestigeous Van Alstyne open held at the spacious and opulent Van Alstyne fine arts and convention center!....One other gutsy comeback that derserves mentioning was Antonio Torres, an 8 year old who missed badly with a 38kg clean and jerk on his second, only to come back and make maybe the best clean and jerk I have ever seen him do with 38 on his third. Way to go Antonio!


I was way off on Caleb's lifts. I couldn't remember once I got home. I can attest to the fact none of the Calebs lifts looked hard from what I saw.

Good Job William and Antonio! I think I worked out with Antonio last time I was in Wichita. By that I mean worked out on the platform next to him. If he is the one I was thinking of who was coming off an illness. I need to catch a workout with William next time I come. I'll try to make it on a day William and Caleb are training.

Timothy Scalise
05-10-2009, 12:31 PM
brian those are really good numbers, you should be proud, just work to make them better. Hell you are doing more than me and I weight more than you, hopefully not at the end of the year though :P. First comps are crazy on the nerves though, Im doing my second comp in june, the first one I almost made myself pass out on my first clean. I started with 95 something I knew I could easily do, I ended up power cleaning it cause I forgot to squat and the bar hit me strait in the adams apple and a mist flew from my mouth, and I almost blacked out. So I rushed but made my jerk, and droped it went back stage and had to sit down before I passed out lol.

Glen, How old is that kid your taking to the worlds? and what weight class? really impressive lifts. I love this sport so much, I wish I had discovered it when I was younger. I love this sport though, and I figure I maybe too old to make the olympics now, but I hope to coach a kid to the olympics in the future. Just getting my experience in now.

Brian Lawyer
05-11-2009, 07:18 PM
Here's my competition footage for those that are interested. My wife didn't get to the meet soon enough for the Snatches which is fine because my kids wouldn't have lasted through the whole competition if she had. After my first CJ they were more interested in the tractor parked in back. I wish I would have had my wife film Caleb Ward's lifts.

First CJ at 115. That is my 3 year old standing in the front.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3V2MmNMDSQ

Second CJ at 120. Thats Glenn in the black shirt off to the right hand side of the shot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQHLLPdHKXc

Third CJ at 125.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EczuXMZHOJk

First two Jerks I think I had a little too much weight on the back foot evidenced by me kind of going backwards during recovery. Not really sure what happened on the third clean.

Timothy Scalise
05-11-2009, 07:45 PM
HA, I lose my hand on cleans like that all the time, ive actually gotten good and recovering and poping it back for recovery. im not sure if that would count in compitition or not

Brian Lawyer
05-11-2009, 08:06 PM
HA, I lose my hand on cleans like that all the time, ive actually gotten good and recovering and poping it back for recovery. im not sure if that would count in compitition or not

With a lighter weight I may have been able to recover the grip upon recovery but 125 was a PR attempt for me. So kind of heavy to pull a recovery like that. I have done 120 several times in practice before. One of these days I may need to quit going for 125 and just try 121 for a change.

Timothy Scalise
05-12-2009, 01:35 AM
With a lighter weight I may have been able to recover the grip upon recovery but 125 was a PR attempt for me. So kind of heavy to pull a recovery like that. I have done 120 several times in practice before. One of these days I may need to quit going for 125 and just try 121 for a change.


blastphemy keep going for 125 its there for you, waiting to be had.

Garrett Smith
05-12-2009, 05:36 AM
I like hitting the 2's and 7's in between the 5kg jumps, personally.

Nice comp lifts, Brian!

Yuen Sohn
05-12-2009, 06:19 AM
I have done 120 several times in practice before. One of these days I may need to quit going for 125 and just try 121 for a change.

Good idea. I remember way back when my max clean and jerk was 90 and I kept going for -- and missing -- 95 for a really, really long time. Sheer stubborness on my part. Well, one day I got forced to take 93, made it. Then made 97. 100 followed less than a month later. They make those 1.25 training plates for a reason ;)

Nice comp. lifts, btw!