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Kellen Love
04-23-2009, 06:21 PM
Hey there. I was wondering if anyone had a copy of the ebook of Lyle McDonald's Rapid Fat Loss Handbook that they could email me. I'm not trying to rip the man off, but I've tried for hours to buy it on his site and for some reason his site isn't working right. I'll send him a dang check after I read it, it's just that I want to get started on this right away. Thank you for your help.

Emily Mattes
04-23-2009, 07:05 PM
Why not email him or post on the forum regarding the site problems?

Gant Grimes
04-24-2009, 04:25 AM
First, that's not what this forum is for, Kellen.

Second, Lyle puts out tons of free material on his site and in his newsletter.

Third, I'm going to give you some unsolicited advice that I would've appreciated were I in your position. STOP F***ING AROUND AND FOLLOW A PROGRAM.

I just read all your posts, and your chief concerns seem to be losing weight, buying books about losing weight by "dudes who are shredded," and doing that programs that will burn fat. You have discussed HIIT, Afterburn, the V-Diet, IF+Zone, and fat loss stuff by Cosgrove, Lyle, and others. You have also mentioned that you have put together a program for yourself based on stuff here and on CF (but are also interested in RossE).

I hope I don't offend you by saying you're in no position to program for yourself just yet. Stop looking for answers in a book and listen to the smart people who have given you good advice. I don't understand the somewhat recent male fascination with male abs, but hey, every generation is different. Suffice it to say you can get there following any one of numerous training or nutrition programs. Pick one and stick with it. If you lose weight simply by buying books, we wouldn't be the obsese society we are. Good luck.

Duke McCall
04-24-2009, 07:05 AM
Gant makes a good point. The only magic elixir out there for rapid fat loss is commitment and discipline.

Kellen Love
04-24-2009, 08:51 AM
Despite what my posts may indicate, I'm not some teenager trying to get abs or to "get shredded like Brad Pitt in fight club." I am, believe it or not, an athlete. I had two knee surgeries, and that inactivity combined with beer consumption has led to me gaining unwanted weight that I'm now trying to get rid of. I'm not worried about abs, I want to be at a good level where I can push my athleticism and maybe look good too. I just don't want to be looked at as a pariah, it isn't easy being overweight and despite the general perception, there are those of us who want to do something about it.

Kellen Love
04-24-2009, 05:22 PM
I also wanted to add that even though it probably wasn't your intention, I don't appreciate being made to look like an ass clown. Granted, I'm not a professional like many people on this site, but I am knowledgeable from a lot of study I've done on my own. And I ask questions and read all these books and diets to gain knowledge and see what I can use and what I can throw out. I've never asked anything that didn't pertain to health and wellness and performance, so I just dont appreciate being made to look like a loser who doesn't know what he's talking about. Again, I don't believe that this was your intention but I was unhappy with the way your post came off.

Mike ODonnell
04-25-2009, 09:54 AM
Group hug....and if Lyle doesn't want to sell you an ebook...I will be happy too :)
www.breakfreelife.com

Kellen Love
04-27-2009, 09:37 AM
MOD I know you're the man and I would buy anything you're selling!

Duke McCall
04-27-2009, 11:37 AM
Kellen, for what it is worth, I do not think Gant intended any offense. I understood him to be saying that what program you choose to follow is not as important as comitting to and sticking with a program. I agree with that setiment wholeheartedly based on my personal weight loss experience. I currently eat mostly zone/paleo foods, but most of my weight loss occured following a more traditional high-carb diet.

Gant Grimes
04-27-2009, 01:42 PM
Kellen, if my being an ass keeps you from throwing your money at fat-loss books, I'll gladly accept that. If you want to be pissed at me and prove me wrong, I welcome that, too.

A lot of the stuff you have mentioned are good resources, but there's a time and a place for that. I understand how you feel as an aging athlete that has put on weight, lost some ability, and suffered an injury or two. I'll also tell you it's just going to get worse until you do something about it. I spent months reading and "getting ready" to lose weight. I wanted to find the best program. All the while, I was getting fatter, eating crappier, and feeling worse. Then I grabbed some sack, got myself sorted, and got back on the path. I've been through a couple different nutrition programs and several different S&C routines, but I'm 30 pounds lighter, a lot stronger, and better at my sport than I used to be.

At this point, it doesn't matter what you do.

If you just want to lose fat, do the Zone diet and Body for Life, P90X, or Yoga for Regular Guys.

If you want to lose fat and improve performance, do CrossFit, Ross Boxing, or Dragon Door, Core Performance, or Gymnastic Bodies.

If you're not leaning out quickly enough, do Paleo Zone.

If you want more strength, do Paleo or Warrior diet and do Starting Strength, CA WOD, 5-3-1, WSFSB, straight OLY, or a hybrid program.

There are other nutrition programs and other S&C programs that will work just as well. The best program is the one you aren't doing. So do the next best--the one that you will stick with for three solid months.

I'm on your side, Kellen. Step up and pick a training and eating plan from above. Give it 12 weeks--unaltered--and you will not be disappointed. 12 weeks! Don't do anything else. I promise you'll get results. Will you do this?

Jay Cohen
04-28-2009, 04:53 AM
Gant, now U the Man.
Jay

Kellen Love
04-30-2009, 10:37 AM
Thanks Gant, and you have helped me to see a problem I have. I tend to get big losses in week 1 due to loss of water weight, and in week 2 or 3 when the weight loss stalls I tend to start looking around for something "better." I constantly suffer from "paralysis by analysis." Now I know there's nothing wrong with studying anything I can, because you can always learn more and implement things that work, but I do have a problem with always looking for the "best" thing rather than sticking to things.

I have picked some things up that I really like, so here's the plan I'm going to go with for the next 3-4 months (to give it a fair shake). I been crossfitting for a while now, and just stumbled on CF Football. I love it. I love that there's a strength WOD AND a regular WOD everyday. I'm going to mix in a couple steady state running days a week, just so that I can get my stamina up because I want to go to officer candidate school in the Air Force. As far as diet, I really like the anabolic solution. From my research it appears as though I have a fair amount of insulin resistance, so I should go low carb. But I like that the AD is cyclical, thereby restoring glycogen, and, well, giving me a little room to cheat once a week, to help keep me on the eating plan. I've been doing this for a couple weeks now. I also eat Paleo, with the exception of eating some cheese during the week, and I have some non-Paleo foods on my carb up days. I also mix in IF as often as I can. I love fasting, but it's not always an option (because as a college student I don't always get as much sleep as I'd like, and IFing on inadequate sleep is just the worst). This is going to be my overall approach to health and fitness in the upcoming months, and I think it's going to work well. Thanks.

Kellen Love
04-30-2009, 10:58 AM
I do have a question though, for anyone familiar with the Warrior Diet. I did it before and liked it, I seemed to be leaning out but wasn't really happy with my results on the scale so I stopped. My question is, as someone who is apparently insulin resistant, would the WD be a bad idea? Because I know fruit can get a bad rap as far as carbs are concerned. Or maybe it'd work if it was a low to fair amount of fruit in the undereating period, and then just meat and veggies in the overeating period. I guess to sum up, I'm just wondering if it'd be feasible for someone to lose 50 or so pounds on the warrior diet while maintaining muscle and strength. Because I really like fasting and the WD. I know this is a long post, if I didn't articulate myself clearly please let me know. Thanks.

Craig Brown
04-30-2009, 02:14 PM
Gant, that was pretty much perfectly said.

Mike ODonnell
04-30-2009, 02:31 PM
I do have a question though, for anyone familiar with the Warrior Diet. I did it before and liked it, I seemed to be leaning out but wasn't really happy with my results on the scale so I stopped. My question is, as someone who is apparently insulin resistant, would the WD be a bad idea? Because I know fruit can get a bad rap as far as carbs are concerned. Or maybe it'd work if it was a low to fair amount of fruit in the undereating period, and then just meat and veggies in the overeating period. I guess to sum up, I'm just wondering if it'd be feasible for someone to lose 50 or so pounds on the warrior diet while maintaining muscle and strength. Because I really like fasting and the WD. I know this is a long post, if I didn't articulate myself clearly please let me know. Thanks.

WD can be whatever you want it to be.....meat, fruits, etc.....just keep it small during the day and bigger at night. You would probably do better with more meat/fat in smaller portions and some fruits only if you feel blood sugar dropping.

Kellen Love
04-30-2009, 09:11 PM
WD can be whatever you want it to be.....meat, fruits, etc.....just keep it small during the day and bigger at night. You would probably do better with more meat/fat in smaller portions and some fruits only if you feel blood sugar dropping.

I was thinking about that MOD. Only breaking the fast with some fruit if I truly felt I couldn't make it through the fast without any sustenance. Then mostly meat, fat, and veggies at night, with a carb up day on sat and maybe sunday. That way it's the WD, but also to an extent low carb and cyclical low carb at the same time. May be the best situation for my apparent insulin resistance.

Mike ODonnell
05-01-2009, 06:44 AM
I was thinking about that MOD. Only breaking the fast with some fruit if I truly felt I couldn't make it through the fast without any sustenance. Then mostly meat, fat, and veggies at night, with a carb up day on sat and maybe sunday. That way it's the WD, but also to an extent low carb and cyclical low carb at the same time. May be the best situation for my apparent insulin resistance.

Don't worry about what to call it.....just take what works and apply to your life....then adjust as needed. You'll find out what works once you just start and see what happens.