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Greg Battaglia
04-30-2009, 11:56 AM
Hey, thinking about getting a pair of KSO's. Anybody have experience with these. a few questions:

1. Are they durable and is the sole resistant to cuts and tears?

2. How is the sizing, should I go tight or leave a little extra wiggle room?

3. How long do they normally last if you do a lot of hiking/trail running?

Thanks

Joe Hart
04-30-2009, 12:54 PM
I have a pair sprints that I have worn for 2 years, going on 3rd year. They are holding up good in the sole. The seam on the big toe has come unsown. I would say the best way for fitting is to see if you can try some on. They are sized in European sizes. I had to try on a couple of pair to narrow it down.

I am going to buy a new pair this year for the summer and some flows for right up till I can't handle it any more in the winter. I live in MN. I really like them though. I would wear them to work if I could get away with it. I have to wear steel toed boots for work.

I like the KSOs because of the material above the toes. I didn't like getting stuff down in my toes from the top(in sprints). Not a big fan of the color choices.

I have talked to ALOT of random people because of my five fingers.

Garrett Smith
04-30-2009, 02:07 PM
1. No cuts or tears yet...I'd assume they will hold up much like a normal hiking boot sole (ie. a Vibram one) would until they get pretty worn down and thus weaker from the lack of material.

2. Try them on first if you can to save some hassle later. I ordered one size, felt it was too short, sent them back, the next pair fit fine. Cost me the extra shipping charge, but I got the right size!

3. No idea. Depends on the mileage, terrain, your BW, etc. It would be the same for any running shoe...

Greg Battaglia
04-30-2009, 10:05 PM
Thanks guys, wish I just had a place to try some on. Nowhere in my area sells them. Guess it's gonna be trial and error.

Grissim Connery
04-30-2009, 11:34 PM
i've got 2 pairs. one to workout in (KSOs) and one to wear around (classics). i love them, but i still prefer to workout barefoot whenever possible. my school gym got mad at me for doing barefoot a few times.

the big toe seem on my KSO's has also unravelled a bit, but it doesn't really affect the overall shoe at all.

i've heard that if you buy the wrong size online, you can send them back for the right one pretty easily. i go to school in cleveland, oh, but i'm from nashville, tn. there's no vendor here in cleveland, so i just waited until i went back to nashville and got a vendor. next time you're going on vacation or a trip or something, check if you can hit up a vendor on the way. i think it's worth trying them on the get the sizing right. it's common to need a different size for each variety of five fingers.

the only real annoying thing about the shoes is when people ask you about them. if you wear them all day, you will get a minimum of 3 people asking you about them if you leave your house. i find that my explanation of the shoes is directly proportional to my mood. when i'm peppy, i'll talk at length about how they've helped me. when i'm not to talky, i'll be such a dick when i answer people's questions. everybody will try to guess what the shoes are for.

ex)

"Hey those shoes are for climbing, right?"

"No"

"What are they then?"

"Shoes"

"what are the for?"

"Walking around. taking steps. shoe-like tasks. etc."

Garrett Smith
05-01-2009, 06:02 AM
Greg,
Vibram is great about returns and exchanges...don't let that worry you.

Greg Battaglia
05-02-2009, 12:27 AM
Thanks. I'm gonna give it a go! I'm going to measure my foot and then just order them. If they don't fit, send em' back and try again, lol.

Patrick Donnelly
05-02-2009, 04:13 AM
I think I should at least throw out there that going completely barefoot is another valid option. I've been doing that near 24/7 for about eight weeks now and it's pretty good.

Greg Battaglia
05-05-2009, 12:19 PM
The only reason I really haven't gone 100% barefooted is because I fear cutting my feet on glass and other trash and because I can wear five fingers into places that would not allow bare feet. Wish that wasn't the case, cause I would definitely go barefooted.

Mike ODonnell
05-05-2009, 01:29 PM
The only reason I really haven't gone 100% barefooted is because I fear cutting my feet on glass and other trash and because I can wear five fingers into places that would not allow bare feet. Wish that wasn't the case, cause I would definitely go barefooted.

Good idea....Grok didn't have to jump over broken beer bottles.....

Allen Yeh
05-05-2009, 02:19 PM
I'm a big fan of my VFF's and so far haven't been too irritated by the questions I get.

Patrick Donnelly
05-05-2009, 04:18 PM
The only reason I really haven't gone 100% barefooted is because I fear cutting my feet on glass and other trash and because I can wear five fingers into places that would not allow bare feet. Wish that wasn't the case, cause I would definitely go barefooted.

Don't worry about the glass. I have yet to come across any, walking 3-5 miles, most days of the week, with a lot of it being on sidewalks, streets, or vast expanses of parking lots. If I were to step on some now, I have a feeling it wouldn't be all that painful. Given another month or two, I probably wouldn't feel it at all.

As for the social taboo against barefootedness, I can't help you there. Thank goodness for college where no one gives a **** what you do.

Allen Yeh
05-05-2009, 04:59 PM
I figured out what I don't like about my VFF KSO's....I don't like jump roping in them because today I kept getting the rope stuck between the toes. Heh.

Jane Michel
05-06-2009, 05:40 AM
I figured out what I don't like about my VFF KSO's....I don't like jump roping in them because today I kept getting the rope stuck between the toes. Heh.

LOL!!!

Scott Kustes
05-07-2009, 12:08 PM
I figured out what I don't like about my VFF KSO's....I don't like jump roping in them because today I kept getting the rope stuck between the toes. Heh.
Something makes me think you're failing on the "jump" part. :D

Kevin Perry
05-22-2009, 09:25 PM
Gees I finally checked out what VFF were after not paying attention to this thread, they look really cool.

Aaron Austin
08-13-2009, 05:25 AM
Mine were a little tight when I bought them but they seemed to loosen up after a couple hours of use. I would get them snug.

Aaron

Scott Kustes
08-13-2009, 06:32 AM
Mine fit like a glove.

Justin Arnold
12-12-2009, 09:58 AM
They should be snug.. and usually you can't just take the european size off of one of your existing pair of shoes and order that size VFF.. they really need to be measured. FYI though, you usually go down from your street shoe size (I downsized one full Euro #) if you don't plan to wear toe socks with them.

I'm in a private fire academy, and had been PTing in regular Asics, then a pair of Nike Frees, then got the bright idea of trying my KSOs. Knowing the hell I was likely to catch if I just showed up in them, I decided to ask the instructor and get his OK first.

So I ask.. and he has no clue what I'm talking about. I show him the webpage, fully expecting the wise cracks to start.. but he just gets quiet (very uncharacteristic of him). After looking around a bit, he goes "you say you sell these where you work?" "can you get me a pair?"

They are great for almost all of the PT stuff we do, except for weighted (~35lb) sprints. That just seems like too much abuse on my feet & knees (and yes, I run on my forefoot. Knees still take a hammering when you have that much weight on your back). Otherwise they are great at running, lifting, general agility work, etc.

Oh, and working at a store that fits these things: you guys WOULDN'T BELIEVE how many people are trying them on. I'd say at least 15-20% of the people walking into the footwear department are asking about them.

Jason Tanner
12-21-2009, 08:54 PM
Not sure if anyone has posted this already, but overtime they do have dirt buildup and can smell like something ferocious.

Tyler Micheli
12-21-2009, 09:57 PM
they do have dirt buildup and can smell like something ferocious.

OxiClean works magic with those issues. Or it did until a campfire halfway charred my fivefingers.

Jason Ashman
12-22-2009, 09:26 AM
If memory serves, there's measuring instructions on the FF site. I bought my first pair several years back, and used the instructions there for sizing. The fit was perfect.

Garrett Smith
12-22-2009, 09:37 AM
When I have the scratch, my next pair of barefoot shoes will be the FeelMax Pankas.

Derek Simonds
12-22-2009, 02:28 PM
Those look really cool. I will consider picking up some also.

Garrett Smith
12-22-2009, 04:22 PM
I believe the lack of toes will make me stick out a lot less, especially when I'm places where I don't feel like chatting with curious onlookers...so I'm interested.

Yael Grauer
07-13-2010, 02:02 PM
Here's my review of my Vibram FiveFingers: http://yaelwrites.com/2010/07/13/my-vibram-five-fingers/