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Gavin Harrison
09-22-2009, 02:07 PM
Pretty incredible lifts, 825/606/790. Also, a pro IFBB bodybuilder...

http://www.powerliftingwatch.com/node/12567

Júlíus G. Magnússon
09-22-2009, 02:47 PM
Looks like a cool guy.

Garrett Smith
09-23-2009, 06:44 AM
Crazy strong guy. And...

IFBB bodybuilder means tons of drugs (I mean, look at the guy!). That's not "raw".

Which part of raw PL includes wrist & knee wraps? A monolift?

I love the raw PL movement, but that sure don't look like it. I've got nothing against geared PL, but don't start screwing up what raw is supposed to stand for...

Derek Simonds
09-23-2009, 07:28 AM
Garrett does the federation that you compete in not allow knee wraps and wrist wraps? There are so many federations with different rules I have no understanding of. I bought wrist wraps for the bench and really like the feeling in regards to my wrists.

Garrett Smith
09-23-2009, 11:53 AM
100% RAW rules (probably the strictest fed out there, the only one I've done to this point) says no wrist/elbow/knee wraps AT ALL.

A 4" belt is the only "gear" allowed.

Guaranteed drug testing for anyone who sets a national or world record.

Walk the squats out.

A very different "raw" situation than what was done in that video.

Dave Van Skike
09-23-2009, 12:31 PM
as with gear double single, unlimited, PL also has a Raw problem. adding wraps adds a lot of safety and some people get a big bump out of them. same with different types of gear, walked out versus mono, texas power bars versus mastadon bars etc. so it can get difficult to compare...but a belted wrapped 700+squat is f'ing strong regardless.

One oberservation WRT teh drugggzzzz. People I've met who compete in feds and orgs that put little if any restriction on gear, drug testing or otherwise seem to be having more fun and as a general rule waste very little energy being judgmental abou thow soemone got their total (this is not directed at you G, you are just echoing soem sentiments I hear out of a lot of USAPL lifters.) there's soem bench racing that goes on after the fact but rarely sour grapes or bitterness.

In strongman, it can be sort of obvious who's "on" and who's not...rarely have I met anyone in SM who gives a shit one way or the other.

Gavin Harrison
09-23-2009, 01:18 PM
Garrett,

I'm just going to address your complaints:

1. Drug. I assume anyone at the top tier of both PL and BB (and a lot of other sports) are "on". You're simply not going to get there without them. You can certainly achieve great things without them, but who's going to ever ever get a 600+ raw bench, or a 900+ DL, or w/e without them. Regardless, he's still freaky strong.

2. Wraps. Some people just can't squat without pain/discomfort without knee wraps or bench without pain/discomfort without wrist wraps. And, they aren't going to add that much to your lifts in general. Why not just admit that he's freaky strong.

2b. The pain/discomfort thing is the reason some people lift geared. Hips and shoulders can be kept healthier when you're getting freaky strong by using shirts and suits.

3. Monolift. Another safety thing. If you doubt, there was an incident at a USAPL meet a while ago where someone was walking out a squat they could have made and tore their one hamstring on the way out.

In any case, the people he's trying to call out are Johnie Jackson and Ben White, who are competing for 10k$ at the Olympia contest to determine the "world's strongest pro bodybuilder", who is clearly Stan Efferding, as he's also the strongest Raw (or unequipped, whatever), lifter, not just pro bodybuilder...

Garrett Smith
09-23-2009, 02:42 PM
First thing I said was he's strong. Jeez.

If anyone thought I was crying foul on the drugs or the equipment, maybe my post should be re-read. Comparing foot races to dragster races and the merits of each isn't something I was trying to do...but calling one by the other's name isn't correct IMO. For those who didn't get that last sentence, I mean calling something "raw" that is pretty obviously (by nearly all parties) not drug tested or unequipped simply isn't using the right terminology. That's all I meant. The rules I listed from 100% RAW are just that, their rules. I think NASA, for example, allows knee wraps in their "raw" division. This will only cause problems later.

Whatever gets your rocks off is cool with me. Personally, when my body is telling me it needs external (or internal) support to do things like lifting weights, that's probably when I'll say I've had enough, but that's me.

Maybe now that I'm doing what *I* consider "raw" PL, I've gotten slightly defensive around that term.

I'm not trying to start a pissing match here.

Dave Van Skike
09-23-2009, 04:13 PM
your point was well taken G and it didn't seem like whining or anything, i think it's instructive to note that there's many sides to the story WRT gearwhoreishness..

drugs may be different for some people and that's fair too.. IME, none of the rawdaawg/gear debates amount to much outside of the interwebz.

Júlíus G. Magnússon
09-23-2009, 04:58 PM
Garrett, I agree with you. "Raw" has a become a pretty funny term in powerlifting so I try not to read too much into it.

I thought it was funny how he wore a belt for his bench press and not his deadlift, though.

Gavin Harrison
09-23-2009, 08:43 PM
Garrett,

I understand, it just doesn't sound good (to me at least) when someone says "yeah but... drugs/gearwhore".

As Gary Zeolla said best is "No wraps (and maybe no belt)" should be called "Raw", "Wraps/Belt" should be called "Unequipped" and "Suits/Shirts, Wraps, Belts" should be called "Equipped" or "Geared". I think it makes sense to do it that way, and he's actually someone who would rather lift "unequipped" but not many feds do that, so he has to lift in feds that allow wraps in "Raw" competitions. I would like if the naming was this way, actually, but it is what it is, and it doesn't make much difference... the geared dudes are going to get more publicity anyway for gianormous lifts, like a 1000 lbs bench or a 1200 squat...

Martin Bonn
09-24-2009, 03:21 AM
I agree with Garrett: i think it s important to be correct with the terms you use, if only for comparisons sake, i m not fussed how people do their thing, whatever is better for you.
depends on your goals i guess. i m interested in what the humn body can achieve without any aid...having said that i do wear knee sleeves and oly shoes for lifting and i use chalk...am i cheating too? and i pay attention to what i eat...does that mean i m using 'drugs'? it gets a bit weird if you take this too far! do whatever makes you happy, but don t call it something it s not!

oh, and hell yeah this guy is strong by whatever standards you use!

Arden Cogar Jr.
09-24-2009, 06:09 AM
I have chosen to remain silent on this topic (geared/unequiped/raw/etc) for a very long time. As I see it, lift weights and have fun.

I competed in powerlifting back when the USAPL was still the ADFPA - and everyone aspired to lift in the IPF worlds. Now, my god.....there's more than a dozen different federations with different rules on equipment, judging on lifts (height of squat, length of pause on bench, hitching in dead) and opinions on all. Everyone's stronger than everyone else, blah, blah, blah. "So and so juices" and "uses the open back bench shirt that can stand on it's own in a corner." Shut up, lift weights, and have fun.

If it's not fun, don't do it.

Personally, I prefer the raw type of of lifts. The geared/triple ply/denim/etc. is not appealing to me. I used single ply gear back in the late 80s and I thought it sucked. I've seen the triple ply suits that stand up on their own and the triple ply squat breifs you wear under them that stand on their own as well. I've seen the open back bench shirts that feel like a bullet proof vest. I've seen dudes lift in them too. Good for them. They enjoy it. They have fun. And they're keen on it.

For those that want to be this or that, good for them. It's not wrong or right. Everyone has an opinion. I think that Efferding is wicked impressive with his strength and physique as he's obviously put a lot of hard work and effort into doing what he does. I admire anyone who's willing to put for the energy and commitment to train hard - from the soccer mom doing yoga to the pro bodybuilder eating the iron.

I'll never detract from anyone's hard work. Life's too short. Lift hard and heavy and, above all else, have fun.

all the best,
Arden

Garrett Smith
09-24-2009, 06:11 AM
As Gary Zeolla said best is "No wraps (and maybe no belt)" should be called "Raw", "Wraps/Belt" should be called "Unequipped" and "Suits/Shirts, Wraps, Belts" should be called "Equipped" or "Geared". I think it makes sense to do it that way, and he's actually someone who would rather lift "unequipped" but not many feds do that, so he has to lift in feds that allow wraps in "Raw" competitions. I would like if the naming was this way, actually, but it is what it is, and it doesn't make much difference... the geared dudes are going to get more publicity anyway for gianormous lifts, like a 1000 lbs bench or a 1200 squat...
This is good clarification, thanks for posting this, it makes more sense.