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JW Luckett
02-08-2007, 06:03 AM
I am interested in thoughts on or experiences with soil-based organisms, with particular reference to Crohn's Disease.

I have read Jordan Rubin's book. That is why I am looking for more information.

Thanks

jw

Mike ODonnell
02-08-2007, 06:25 AM
Personally I haven't heard them mentioned about it by anyone else but Rubin....Gut Health is a more visible topic nowadays with probiotics and other things coming to the mainstream...but the HSOs I haven't heard much about....Dr G, you are wanted at the podium......

Robert Allison
02-08-2007, 06:58 AM
There are apparently companies other than Garden of Life that offer an HSO product, but there seems to be relatively little truly independent research either for or against. Or, if it exists, it is not easy to find.

FWIW, I use an HSO product, but then, I also eat a lot of fermented foods.

Garrett Smith
02-08-2007, 01:19 PM
Essential Formulas, www.essentialformulas.com, who makes my favorite probiotic (the 12+ probiotic professional formula in the GREEN box, not the original formula in the navy blue-ish box), goes out of their way to specifically state that there are NO HSOs in their product.

I do believe one of the reasons that dogs (and animals in general) don't tend towards GI problems like humans do is because they are constantly exposed to HSOs and bacteria in general through licking and sniffing the ground and everything on it. We don't do that, thus more gut issues, especially post-antibiotic use.

I also would guess that the probiotics grown on cultured vegetables would either be HSOs or very close relatives (based on the fact that veggies grow from the ground). So I guess I do get both types (HSO and non-HSO through the cultured foods in my diet (cultured veggies, kombucha, raw acv, probiotics, and some kefir as a treat on rare occasions).

I will admit that I don't know the difference between HSOs and non-HSOs, as when I've looked at the list of bacterial strains, many seem to live on both sides of that fence. I could be completely wrong about that.

With the lack of independent research, I don't know what to say in terms of the superiority of one or the other.

Steve Liberati
02-08-2007, 01:44 PM
Dr.G,

Just curious where do you buy your box of EF probiotics at? I order most of my supplements from iherb.com but was unable to find the original green box you were referring to. Believe this is the newer version which goes for $31.50 for 60 capsules.
http://www.iherb.com/store/ProductDetails.aspx?c=Herbs&pid=EFI-12125
Also curious to know how many capsules you take a day? Although I'm in the process of reading the BED book, still refer to you as the expert here:). As always, thanks in advance for your help!

Didn't mean to hijack the thread....hopefully others were wondering the same thing:)

JW Luckett
02-09-2007, 12:18 AM
OK, thanks guys. Pretty much as I suspected. Of course, I did the googly thing and came up with lots of positive stuff from suppliers and one negative from a fellow who sells a competing line of supplements. So basically I've never seen anything but marketing regarding SBOs (as Jordan Rubin refers to them). Just thought I'd run it up the flag pole since the Dr. is in the house and Mike OD has mentioned The Maker's Diet before.

Again, thank you for your time.

jw