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Garrett Smith
02-08-2010, 11:59 AM
Does anyone know if an actual OL "standards" chart exists, basically the same thing as what Rippetoe and Kilgore did (http://www.crossfit.com/cf-journal/WLSTANDARDS.pdf), but for the Sn and C&J?

Martin Bonn
02-08-2010, 12:12 PM
Would you be able to work that out (with a bit of asking the right people) using Sinclair or something similar? I'm sure there is data form Nationals and regional etc events which you could use to estimate what a elite vs part time lifter would be expected to achieve.

That's unless someone has already made what you are looking for!

Michael McKenna
02-09-2010, 06:41 AM
That's an interesting question. I can look up the Russian Standards for level 3, 2, 1, Master of Sport, and Master of Sport International Class, but I'll bet someone else gets to them first as I have no idea where that text is. I seem to remember for superheavyweights the Level 1 is around 295 Kilos, and Master of Sport is around 380, I think? Maybe less than that, but not significantly less. Level 3 is the lowest rank, 2 next up, then 1, etc.

When I started O Lifting back in 1992, they still had qualifying standards for the Olympics; mine was a 360 total as a super. I still have the old USAW Magazine with the chart in the back.

Geoffrey Thompson
02-09-2010, 08:26 AM
And then of course there are the old Bob Hoffman tables (bronze, silver, gold), but they're old and the weight classes only go up to 181+, if I recally correctly. Somebody else will be able to find them before I do.

Yuen Sohn
02-09-2010, 08:48 AM
There was some discussion of the Russian standards here (see Chris Betancourt's 2 posts in the thread):
http://goheavy.com/forums/olympic/index.cgi/noframes/read/427026

Garrett Smith
02-09-2010, 09:49 AM
Found these:
http://www.dynamic-eleiko.com/sportivny/library/news/nv001.html
and
http://anton.free.net.ph/siff_score-v4.xls
and
http://anton.free.net.ph/oly_sheet.xls

I'm just figuring out the last two now...

Alex Bond
02-09-2010, 11:12 AM
I wouldn't be so concerned with finding and meeting tables of standards. I've heard from Rip that he really regrets including those tables with Practical Programming because people obsessed over them and asked a bunch of silly questions about how they matched up with the tables. The real standard you have to beat is "however much the other guy at the competition can lift".

Keith Miller
02-09-2010, 11:30 AM
I wouldn't be so concerned with finding and meeting tables of standards. I've heard from Rip that he really regrets including those tables with Practical Programming because people obsessed over them and asked a bunch of silly questions about how they matched up with the tables. The real standard you have to beat is "however much the other guy at the competition can lift".

This ^^^^^^^

Too many people get bent out of shape for not meeting %'s in a table. :confused: Just get out there and lift. Get to a BW snatch and 1.25x CJ, then set your next goals. Mine are a 100kg snatch @77kg BW, and 125 CJ. I am also a master.

Keep in mind everybody is different so you won't fit perfectly into a table, nor should you, just get out there and lift, then lift more weight.;)

Daniel Gam
02-09-2010, 12:52 PM
instead of looking for "standards" i would recommend looking at the world records for the lightest weight class for females (48kg). can you out-lift that? move your way up the female weight classes and try to beat the records one by one, and, if you get that far, move to the male weight classes and repeat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_world_records_in_Olympic_weightlifting

i can't wait till i can outlift all the 105lb women in the world

Garrett Smith
02-09-2010, 01:17 PM
I like the standards idea.

From the first link, the Class I standards will be quite an effort to reach for me. Class II is well within reach within this year, I think (85kg total of 215).

It's funny, after looking at standards tables like this for GS and OL, Class I is the furthest I'd really ever want to go based on the amount of training and effort I'm willing to put in to reach some arbitrary goal.

Blair Lowe
02-09-2010, 06:06 PM
I'd be pretty happy with class 1 as that would be around 220 kg for me. That sounds like a snatch of 100kg+ a clean of 120. Sounds fairly doable. Right now conservatively I'm at youthIII (lol) but I guess class3 would be a good goal.

Josh Everett would just be under CMS according to that table which Dutch is right around as well.

Garrett Smith
02-10-2010, 05:27 AM
Hoffman Standards for various exercises (http://danjohn.net/2009/11/hoffman-standards/), on DJ's site.

Chris Forbis
02-10-2010, 06:33 AM
instead of looking for "standards" i would recommend looking at the world records for the lightest weight class for females (48kg). can you out-lift that? move your way up the female weight classes and try to beat the records one by one, and, if you get that far, move to the male weight classes and repeat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_world_records_in_Olympic_weightlifting

i can't wait till i can outlift all the 105lb women in the world

This idea appeals to me.

John Filippini
02-10-2010, 07:29 AM
Checking off weight classes is totally the way to go. 48F is soo close...

Also, the shift from Male classes to Female classes is a bit smoother because the 75+F WR is tied with the 62M WR.

Garrett Smith
02-10-2010, 07:41 AM
Achieving something like Hoffman's (non-drugged) standards for men appeals more to me than trying to beat genetic freak drugged-to-the-gills miniature Chinese women.

Call it apples to apples...whatever you like.

Garrett Smith
02-10-2010, 11:29 AM
Dan John likes standards, I dig them too. I had some fun arranging them in my personal goals sheet:

Powerlifting 82.5kg (181.8#) weight class

Back Squat

325# (Hoffman bronze) - done
350# (Hoffman silver) - working from 355# estimated 1RM on next 5/3/1 cycle
364# (2x BW) - hoping to hit this or the 367# at next PL meet in March
367# (Rip's advanced)
375# (Hoffman gold)

Bench Press

273# (1.5x BW) - hoping to hit one or both of these at next PL meet in March
275# (Rip's advanced)

Deadlift

400# (Hoffman bronze) - hoping to hit this at next PL meet in March
438# (Rip's Advanced)
445# (Hoffman silver)
455# (2.5x BW)
490# (Hoffman gold)


Weightlifting 85kg class:

Snatch

185# (Hoffman bronze) - done
200# (Hoffman silver) - only 6# away!
215# (Hoffman gold)

C&J

240# (Hoffman bronze) - only 2# away!
260# (Hoffman silver)
280# (Hoffman gold)

Total

192.5kg / 425# (Russian Class III, approx. Hoffman bronze total) - done
460# (Hoffman silver total)
215kg / 474# (Russian Class II)
495# (Hoffman gold total)
240kg / 529# (Russian Class I)


Other lifts:

Standing Press

155# (Hoffman bronze) - working from 160# estimated 1RM on next 5/3/1 cycle
164# (Rip's Advanced)
180# (Hoffman silver)
182# (1x BW)
205# (Hoffman gold)

Power Clean

264# (Rip's advanced)
273# (1.5x BW)


For someone with as diverse of fitness goals (some would say "fitness ADD", that's fine) as myself, these types of standards are much more realistic to me. Comparing myself to Olympic athletes seems like a quick road to disappointment, particularly since I don't "specialize".

FYI, I qualify as a Master's WL athlete as of this year.

Emily Mattes
02-10-2010, 12:38 PM
I guess women would start by aiming to beat all the Juniors records.

Only 16kg to go to out-snatch a 44kg 17-year-old girl!

D'oh!

Sonny Gelinas
08-07-2012, 07:16 AM
http://www.exrx.net/Testing/WeightLifting/StrengthStandards.html