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Wayne Riddle
02-16-2010, 03:29 AM
Link to article (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35058896/ns/health-heart_health//)

A diet high in saturated fat mainly boosts the numbers of large-LDL particles, while a low-fat diet high in carbohydrates propagates the smaller forms. The big, fluffy particles are largely benign, while the small, dense versions keep lipid-science researchers awake at night.

Mike ODonnell
02-16-2010, 09:20 AM
Link to article (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35058896/ns/health-heart_health//)

The truth is one thing (and it's good to see it get out there more in the mainstream media).....but seeing how cholesterol lowering drugs are a billion dollar market and top seller....big pharma won't let it happen that easily.

The price we pay for living in a capitalist society....our real health comes 2nd to any company's profit line.

Next up, cholesterol lowering drugs for kids....put right into their morning cereals.

Scott Kustes
02-16-2010, 02:53 PM
Statins: I eat that sh*t for breakfast, lunch, and dinner!

Garrett Smith
02-16-2010, 03:03 PM
MOD, you haven't heard the discussions about adding statins to the drinking water?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3931157.stm

Scott, no need to eat them anymore! Better living through chemistry...

Wayne Riddle
02-16-2010, 03:54 PM
MOD, you haven't heard the discussions about adding statins to the drinking water?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3931157.stm

Scott, no need to eat them anymore! Better living through chemistry...

Wow... I missed that article. Would make me switch to bottled water.

Garrett Smith
02-16-2010, 04:01 PM
I really liked London when I visited, but man, those Brits sure do some wacky stuff sometimes.

Steven Low
02-16-2010, 05:40 PM
The guy in the article still contents polyunsats are better than saturated fats.. heh heh.

Wayne Riddle
02-17-2010, 02:38 AM
The guy in the article still contents polyunsats are better than saturated fats.. heh heh.

One step at at time Steve :)

Darryl Shaw
02-17-2010, 05:57 AM
The guy in the article still contents polyunsats are better than saturated fats.. heh heh.

As far as CVD risk is concerned they are. That's not to say that having a PUFA intake in excess of your EFA requirements is a good thing but it is less likely to result in you having a heart attack in your 40's than would be the case with a diet containing a similarly excessive amount of SAFA.

Gant Grimes
02-19-2010, 02:43 PM
If you use anything to "treat" cholesterol, use testosterone.

Mike ODonnell
02-20-2010, 02:21 PM
MOD, you haven't heard the discussions about adding statins to the drinking water?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3931157.stm

There is nothing more dangerous....than people in charge convinced they need to save the world with some drug and not give anyone another option.

Maybe that's the whole state of health f*** up in the first place....no one has any motivation to save themself because they expect someone else to do it for them. I mean why should anyone learn to swim if they keep throwing life preservers and inner tubes into the gene pool.

Collin O'Neill
02-23-2010, 03:27 AM
The truth is one thing (and it's good to see it get out there more in the mainstream media).....but seeing how cholesterol lowering drugs are a billion dollar market and top seller....big pharma won't let it happen that easily.

The price we pay for living in a capitalist society....our real health comes 2nd to any company's profit line.

Next up, cholesterol lowering drugs for kids....put right into their morning cereals.

There is nothing more dangerous....than people in charge convinced they need to save the world with some drug and not give anyone another option.

Maybe that's the whole state of health f*** up in the first place....no one has any motivation to save themself because they expect someone else to do it for them. I mean why should anyone learn to swim if they keep throwing life preservers and inner tubes into the gene pool.

I was ready to jump on your first post, because no where in it did personal responsibility and accountability come into the mix. Your second post hit that nail on the head though, people as a whole are always looking for the easy way out. That starts at not exercising and eating crappy food, and ends with a pill that controls their cholesterol.

I would still point out that I do not think the above is a results of living in a capitalistic society. You can hardly fault people for trying to make money (in most instances), and while I do not agreed with many of the methods of big pharma (commercials on TV, docs shoveling drugs down people's throats due to incentives), I don't think the situation would be any better with a different type of socio-economic system in place.

Central planning has failed. Socialism bankrupts nations. Fascism makes the trains run on time, and little else. Like the man said, Capitalism ain't perfect, but it is the best option so far.

Mike ODonnell
02-23-2010, 10:25 AM
I was ready to jump on your first post, because no where in it did personal responsibility and accountability come into the mix. Your second post hit that nail on the head though, people as a whole are always looking for the easy way out. That starts at not exercising and eating crappy food, and ends with a pill that controls their cholesterol.

I would still point out that I do not think the above is a results of living in a capitalistic society. You can hardly fault people for trying to make money (in most instances), and while I do not agreed with many of the methods of big pharma (commercials on TV, docs shoveling drugs down people's throats due to incentives), I don't think the situation would be any better with a different type of socio-economic system in place.

Central planning has failed. Socialism bankrupts nations. Fascism makes the trains run on time, and little else. Like the man said, Capitalism ain't perfect, but it is the best option so far.

Of course personal responsibility should be #1, but unless there is real motivation for one to do it....most take the easy way out.

I don't blame capitalism, just noting that is one of the downsides (and there are plenty of upsides...as I like making money like the next guy) to it. The people with the deepest pockets make the rules and control the stream of information....and sadly most of those people seem to lack real moral fiber. Advertising gets more credibility in the mainstream as the truth, which is sad considering how much is spent by pharmaceutical companies.

But...maybe that is what people need to shock them into personal responsibility...to have a system get to the point where it is f***'d up that there is no other choice.