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Matt Edwards
04-07-2010, 07:29 AM
What are people's favorites when trying to gain mass while on paleo?

Allen Yeh
04-07-2010, 08:00 AM
Coconut milk.

Mike ODonnell
04-07-2010, 10:43 AM
Not eating Paleo pwo

Derek Weaver
04-07-2010, 01:44 PM
Not eating paleo at all.

Gant Grimes
04-07-2010, 02:05 PM
Everything.

Especially this:
http://www.70sbig.com/?p=1025

Darryl Shaw
04-08-2010, 04:28 AM
To gain weight simply eat more of everything.

If you're looking for a single paleo food to help you gain weight though I'd go with nuts as they're one of the few really energy dense foods that have no detrimental effect on health when consumed in large amounts.

Craig Brown
04-08-2010, 07:55 AM
Paleo with added fat and sugar (we call this 'ice cream') works great.

Kevin Perry
04-08-2010, 09:55 AM
Lots of Chinese/Japanese Buffets, milk, ice cream, mcdoubles (at least 5), large milkshake seem to work for me. Short term of course along with the rest of your "paleo" schedule

Mike ODonnell
04-08-2010, 11:12 AM
Not eating Paleo pwo

...it is also worth noting....my pwo window is 3-4 hours and has an additional 1500-2000 non-paleo calories in it...along with other daily eating and throwing in IF on other days.....and I'm not even looking for much mass gain, just more a slow and lean build....1lb at a time.

Anything else in the past with quicker "bulk" cycles just made me more fat and miserable.....and slower at hockey....which is not one of my goals....that and trying to diet/cut down after a bulk cycle sucks ass.....

Donald Lee
04-08-2010, 11:36 AM
...it is also worth noting....my pwo window is 3-4 hours and has an additional 1500-2000 non-paleo calories in it...along with other daily eating and throwing in IF on other days.....and I'm not even looking for much mass gain, just more a slow and lean build....1lb at a time.

Anything else in the past with quicker "bulk" cycles just made me more fat and miserable.....and slower at hockey....which is not one of my goals....that and trying to diet/cut down after a bulk cycle sucks ass.....

I am totally in agreement with you. I'm cutting down after bulking, and the attempt at fast bulking was just not worth it.

BTW. I'd love to be at the point where I can do this with no regrets:

http://leangains.blogspot.com/2010/04/cheesecake-mastery-part-2-easter-10.html

Derek Weaver
04-08-2010, 08:10 PM
...it is also worth noting....my pwo window is 3-4 hours and has an additional 1500-2000 non-paleo calories in it...along with other daily eating and throwing in IF on other days.....and I'm not even looking for much mass gain, just more a slow and lean build....1lb at a time.

Anything else in the past with quicker "bulk" cycles just made me more fat and miserable.....and slower at hockey....which is not one of my goals....that and trying to diet/cut down after a bulk cycle sucks ass.....

Yowza, 1500-2000 calories. Is that still the 1/2 gallon of whole milk PWO I think I saw you post about a while back?

Speaking of which, and somewhat applicable to this thread, Brad Pilon had a good post on milk the other day http://bradpilon.com/healthy-ramblings/milk-have-we-all-gone-crazy/

Granted, he uses his blog to plus his product (I don't blame him at all), but he's always sensible. At least in my opinion, and certainly compared to many others on the internet.

Semi-hijack. In no particular order of preference, I think the top bloggers/writers on the webz right now with regards to nutrition are: Robb Wolf (no surprise there), Brad Pilon, Martin Berkhan, Lyle McDonald, and Brian St. Pierre (http://brianstpierretraining.com/).

/hijack.

Mike ODonnell
04-08-2010, 08:57 PM
Yowza, 1500-2000 calories. Is that still the 1/2 gallon of whole milk PWO I think I saw you post about a while back?

No...I have toned down milk as I found it not to work out well in volume with leanness (and stubborn fat). Nowadays I just alter what I eat....could be a foot long tuna sub at subway....or the buffet.....or sushi......all in all 1500+ calories is pretty easy to take in over 3 hours especially if it is 2 meals....at least for me it seems (of course no way in hell I could do it "Paleo").

I use off workout days to really dial in more protein and IF to keep the bodyfat down.

Keep in mind too....I am a lean 190lbs even with the excess cal intake pwo and IF....not trying to bulk to 215+ like I was back in my college days. Seems the more I feast pwo...and the more I dial in IF on other days...the leaner I get, yet my weight increases little by little. Funny how that is.


Semi-hijack. In no particular order of preference, I think the top bloggers/writers on the webz right now with regards to nutrition are: Robb Wolf (no surprise there), Brad Pilon, Martin Berkhan, Lyle McDonald, and Brian St. Pierre[/URL].

Robb is good of course, Brad is on my same wavelength about passing on the BS and living life outside of food, Martin does know his stuff, Lyle is book smart but needs a personality check, and I don't know much about Brian.

Other than that I vote for me and Scott....but that is because I am 100% biased. Nutrition isn't that hard once you just figure it out for your own body.

Derek Weaver
04-08-2010, 10:25 PM
Yeah, I've always thought of you and Scott as more "lifestyle" people, then I realized so is Brad.

I guess martin is as well.

You're right about Lyle's personality check. I get turned off of his stuff because he is so demeaning and caustic at times.

Other times I am blown away by his brilliance. I think that his training advice by and large sucks though.

Donald Lee
04-08-2010, 11:03 PM
Other times I am blown away by his brilliance. I think that his training advice by and large sucks though.

Interesting...I think his training advice is great. It's simple and flexible. I was turned off by his personality, too, but I've gotten used to it. I have some friends with messed up personalities, so I'm pretty forgiving at times.

Mike ODonnell
04-09-2010, 05:44 AM
Other times I am blown away by his brilliance. I think that his training advice by and large sucks though.

Honestly sometimes Lyle talks so much "brilliance"....it's over my head going in circles to even know whether it is BS or not....but I don't read much on his site anymore because of how he comes across....that and once you understand how to workout and eat, there is only so much more you need to know besides to just shut off the computer and go do it for 12+ weeks, which is the point most people usually fail to implement.

It's hard to keep writing over and over again about nutrition and fitness....especially if you want to keep it simple, as you get to a point where you have already said everything people need to know.

Gant Grimes
04-09-2010, 10:27 AM
It's hard to keep writing over and over again about nutrition and fitness....especially if you want to keep it simple, as you get to a point where you have already said everything people need to know.

That's why I don't read nutrition blogs anymore. I check the occasional fitness articles to see different ideas or new train wrecks, but I don't do much beyond that.

Donald Lee
04-09-2010, 01:12 PM
Yeah, I'm starting to think, unless you're a fitness or health professional, there's only so much you need to know.

I liked one of Martin Berkan's recent blog posts where he says the secret benefit to getting his perfect body is that he doesn't have to spend time worrying about it anymore.