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Matt Edwards
05-08-2010, 10:14 AM
I've been going through some programming changes and need to have an upper body push exercise. My upper body has always been fairly weak compared to the rest of my body (I was able to snatch more than I could bench before I started adding in straight upper body work). Obviously, I have my exercise selection narrowed down to Standing Press vs Bench Press. I'm not able to perform both in the program because my upper body recovers too quick to perform 1 day of each per week and progress in both. The exercise I chose will be performed twice a week if that helps. As of right now I'm leaning towards the Press for the mere fact of the direct correlation to overhead support.

Press:
Advantagious in that it is in the same plane of motion as the jerk, thus has a more direct carry-over. The added shoulder strength directly correlates to receiving position strength in the jerk. However, lighter loads have to be used in relation to the bench press because of the nature of the lifts.

Bench Press:
Advantagious in that you can use heavier loads to create a stronger stimulus in the lock out abilities for the jerk. It is in a different plane of motion so you wouldn't have to worry about over-working that vertical motion. Plus, the stronger chest can help with maintaining a tight upper body once my jerk weights increase.

Steven Low
05-08-2010, 11:02 AM
I'd go with press... more applicable to stuff plus you don't really need a spotter.

Derek Weaver
05-08-2010, 12:02 PM
I don't remember who it was, but I saw recently where the bench was mentioned as the squat for the upper body.

If you've got a serious strength deficiency in the upper body, I'd bench, but keep an eye on scap mobiilty/stability flexibility of the pecs, shoulders etc.

On the other side of the coin, look to the overhead press/push press thread discussing pressing. High frequency going overhead is the key. If you're just lacking in general with your upper body, then working on overall upperbody strength, including pulls, horizontal and vertical should be the focus. If you are okay with overall strength but suck specifically going overhead, well... go overhead, and often.

Matt Edwards
05-08-2010, 06:29 PM
Thanks guys. Think I'll go with the Press because of carry-over, functionality, and the added core work. Since I'm in college, the Bench Press around here is more of a macho lift and I'd rather not get associated with that population lol.

Dave Van Skike
05-08-2010, 08:34 PM
Thanks guys. Think I'll go with the Press because of carry-over, functionality, and the added core work. Since I'm in college, the Bench Press around here is more of a macho lift and I'd rather not get associated with that population lol.

why the artificial constraint? bench helps overhead, overhead helps bench.

glennpendlay
05-08-2010, 09:11 PM
I'm not able to perform both in the program because my upper body recovers too quick to perform 1 day of each per week and progress in both. The exercise I chose will be performed twice a week if that helps.

this doesnt make any sense to me.

glenn

Matt Edwards
05-09-2010, 09:25 AM
this doesnt make any sense to me.

glenn

It does sound a little confusing after re-reading it. It's meant to read that if I was to incorporate both, one would be performed Tuesday for example and the other on Friday. When I've tried doing this in the past, neither has progressed and eventually regressed a little. For me, I've noticed I have to perform the same movement at least twice a week to move forward with it. For reference, I can post how I'm thinking about laying out my week:

Option A

Monday
Cleans + Jerk (heavy)
Snatch (technique work; singles on minute)

Tuesday
Back Squat
Clean DLs to Knee superset with Clean High Pulls from Blocks
Upper Body push
Weighted Chin/Pull-ups

Thursday
Snatch (heavy)
Clean + Jerk (technique work; singles on 1.5 minute)

Friday
Front Squat
Snatch DLs to Knee superset with Snatch High Pulls from Blocks
Upper Body push
Weighted Chin/Pull-ups

Option B

Monday
Cleans + Jerk
Snatch DLs to Knee superset with Snatch High Pulls from Blocks

Tuesday
Back Squat
Upper Body push
Weighted Chin/Pull-ups

Thursday
Snatch
Clean DLs to Knee superset with Clean High Pulls from Blocks

Friday
Front Squat
Upper Body push
Weighted Chin/Pull-ups


Reasoning for the DLs to Knee are because at my last meet, everyone noticed my lower back tightness broke once I left contact with the floor on the first pull which caused me to come up on the balls of my feet.

Alex Bond
05-09-2010, 09:57 AM
Since I'm in college, the Bench Press around here is more of a macho lift and I'd rather not get associated with that population lol.

This is a really silly reason not to do an exercise. If the press will help you more than the bench, then press, but don't do it because you think that guys who bench are unfunctional meatheads. I avoided the bench for a while because I drank the "functional" kool-aid and I am glad I thought things over and re-introduced the bench.

Chigishev benching 225kg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-Ixa38U9x0)

Matt Edwards
05-09-2010, 10:22 AM
This is a really silly reason not to do an exercise. If the press will help you more than the bench, then press, but don't do it because you think that guys who bench are unfunctional meatheads. I avoided the bench for a while because I drank the "functional" kool-aid and I am glad I thought things over and re-introduced the bench.

Chigishev benching 225kg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-Ixa38U9x0)

Yeah, it was a fairly bigoted statement on my part.

I forgot who I heard this from, but it seems as if the Press is the upper body strength execise and the Bench Press is the upper body power exercise. Does anyone else view it as so?

Dave Van Skike
05-09-2010, 11:50 AM
Yeah, it was a fairly bigoted statement on my part.

I forgot who I heard this from, but it seems as if the Press is the upper body strength execise and the Bench Press is the upper body power exercise. Does anyone else view it as so?

the options you've laid out look like a casserole recipe.

it's not a political question. one or more of those pressing movements will help you reach your goals. figure out which it is for you by trying one and seeing what it does for your lifts.

Derek Weaver
05-09-2010, 01:01 PM
Yeah, it was a fairly bigoted statement on my part.

I forgot who I heard this from, but it seems as if the Press is the upper body strength execise and the Bench Press is the upper body power exercise. Does anyone else view it as so?

No.

Garrett Smith
05-09-2010, 02:39 PM
Thanks guys. Think I'll go with the Press because of carry-over, functionality, and the added core work. Since I'm in college, the Bench Press around here is more of a macho lift and I'd rather not get associated with that population lol.
Depending on when you go to the student rec center to lift (or whatever they call it), not benching due to no benches being available becomes a real concern.

Just sayin'.

Matt Edwards
05-09-2010, 04:08 PM
Availability is a real concern now that I think about it. We have 4 benches and they are always being used with about 10 groups waiting to get on.

Daniel Gam
05-09-2010, 04:49 PM
i always feel a bit more tight (temporarily?) in the overhead position after benching, and i like to do clean grip sott's press/overhead squats afterwards