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Geoffrey Thompson
06-08-2010, 07:10 AM
http://news.nationalpost.com/2010/06/01/win-a-soccer-game-by-more-than-five-points-and-you-lose-ottawa-league-says/

In yet another nod to the protection of fledgling self-esteem, an Ottawa children’s soccer league has introduced a rule that says any team that wins a game by more than five points will lose by default.

The Gloucester Dragons Recreational Soccer league’s newly implemented edict is intended to dissuade a runaway game in favour of sportsmanship. The rule replaces its five-point mercy regulation, whereby any points scored beyond a five-point differential would not be registered.

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According to the league’s new rules, coaches of stronger teams are encouraged to deter runaway games by rotating players out of their usual positions, ensuring players pass the ball around, asking players to kick with the weaker foot, taking players off the field and encouraging players to score from farther away.I haven't been a coach of youth teams yet, so I don't have that perspective on this. But, the point of youth sports when really young is not winning, otherwise you'd have very different tactics. You would rarely play your crappy players if all that counted was winning at age 8. Heck, you'd probably have kids start specializing early if that's all that counted. You don't want to lose sight of the fact that winning and losing is what the sport is about, but you're developing athletes at this point, not earning the big bucks. Still, losing the game for rocking it too hard is a bit much.

Gant Grimes
06-08-2010, 08:45 AM
You can't even start to teach strategy until the kids are at least nine (some smart ones may pick it up a little earlier). For young kids, anything other than "take the ball from the other kid and go score" is impeding fundamental development. There are some things a coach can do like play his better players on defense, don't attack the ball until the other team crosses midfield, etc., but this usually leads to a spread field and an easy shot on goal. Five goals is nothing in a youth soccer game.

If I was a coach in this league, my goal would be to incur a forfeit every game. I don't coach or care about winning; I care about defense, takeaways, and shots on goal. Do those well, and the wins take care of themselves.

Arien Malec
06-08-2010, 09:10 AM
What Gant says. In the league my daughter plays in, any goal differential over 4 leads to a player pulled from the field, which levels out the game relatively quickly but keeps the skill development alive. There is nothing more frustrating to an overmatched team than having the opponent start to play keep away. Does nothing for skill development, and is frankly worse from a "self esteem" perspective.

I personally think full side games are sort of pointless at this age. I'd rather see lots of short 4v4 or 6v6 games. It's really the parents who like to see the full side games. For the kids, it descends into mob play around the ball really quickly.

Greg Everett
06-08-2010, 11:13 AM
for the love of god just let the little rugburners play. some will cry, some will be dicks, and most will turn out just fine. fuuuuck.

Geoffrey Thompson
06-08-2010, 12:17 PM
Greg's is probably the best response. I remember elementary school at recess. 3 15 minute recesses. Teams chosen during the first recess. Same teams all day, maybe even longer. No adult intervention unless people were hitting or something. No stupid rules about being up more than 5 points. Probably turned out a lot more fun than these league games. I wouldn't know, though, I didn't like soccer so I played something else.

Derek Weaver
06-08-2010, 09:17 PM
Rules like this make me crazy. I was on the wrong team more than once when playing Little League, basketball, rugby, and even got beat up pretty bad with a few black eyes and bloody noses just sparring when I got into combat sports.

I think I've turned out okay.

Someone has to lose in sports, and not every game is going to be competitive. It doesn't help anyone to force a team to lose if they win by more than 5 goals. All it does is punish the teams that are well coached, have fun, and also have budding athletes at a whopping 5 years old or whatever it is.

Last I heard, there weren't any crazy stories of kids losing it because they were beat handily in a little league game. Or in this case soccer.

Maybe it's soccer that's the problem, not the kids losing.

Allen Yeh
06-09-2010, 04:29 AM
"Winning isn't everything" I mean I've heard this phrase for as long as I was a part of any youth sport. It looks like the parents of whoever is implementing these rules failed them. People don't build self esteem and confidence by getting things handed to them on a platter.

Experience is what you get when you didn't get what you wanted.
-Randy Pausch

Gant Grimes
06-09-2010, 08:49 AM
Maybe it's soccer that's the problem, not the kids losing.

Soccer parents are the problem.

Arien Malec
06-09-2010, 10:30 AM
Soccer parents are the problem.

Amen.

Arien Malec
07-07-2010, 11:06 AM
I personally think full side games are sort of pointless at this age. I'd rather see lots of short 4v4 or 6v6 games.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/soccer/world-cup-2010/writers/raphael_honigstein/07/01/germany.reinvention/index.html

German system starts U9 on 4v4 games.

Gant Grimes
07-07-2010, 12:35 PM
We start here with U5 3v3-no goalie. As you grow older, you add players and the fields and goals get larger. We don't have goalies until U7 5v5. Smaller sides are much better for skill development IMO.

Aaron C Bennett
10-13-2010, 11:14 AM
Maybe it's soccer that's the problem, not the kids losing.

I think teaching young kids touch/flag rugby is a much better way to up general athleticism, foster a competitive spirit and let them see that fitness can be fun. I also think it fits more with the American sports mentality of old. The old adage is, "Rugby is a hooligan's sport played by gentlemen; soccer is a gentleman's sport played by hooligans." I think the sense of fair play and general sportsmanship that is promoted in rugby is possibly more important to the little tykes than the actual athletic skills.

Grissim Connery
10-14-2010, 07:54 AM
I think teaching young kids touch/flag rugby is a much better way to up general athleticism, foster a competitive spirit and let them see that fitness can be fun. I also think it fits more with the American sports mentality of old. The old adage is, "Rugby is a hooligan's sport played by gentlemen; soccer is a gentleman's sport played by hooligans." I think the sense of fair play and general sportsmanship that is promoted in rugby is possibly more important to the little tykes than the actual athletic skills.

i don't know actual rugby rules, but as a really young kid, football rules were really confusing to me. soccer was easier to comprehend

ex) soccer
coach: kick the ball into the goal
me: aight

Aaron C Bennett
10-19-2010, 12:15 PM
While not quite that simple, the rules for touch rugby are fairly simple.
- You can't throw the ball forward
- If you are tagged, you have to stop
- you score by putting the ball down in the tryzone
- If you go out of bounds, the other team gets the ball
There are no scrums, lineouts, mauls, rucks, kicking, etc. It's actually simpler than the vast majority of games played in any given gym class in America. If you'd like to take a look at it, here's the link for gym teachers who want to incorporate it into their curriculum:
http://www.vyra.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/rookie-rugby-educator-presentation.pdf
More info:
http://www.rookierugbyclub.com/home
http://rugby.viadesto.com/goto/Rookie_Rugby_Start