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sean richard
08-06-2010, 01:16 PM
I was wondering what kind of training program would be best for ultra marathon training. I have did 5 mile runs before but have a goal to do at least one 100mile ultra event in the future. Not shore if next summer is to early to sign up for a race but will take any advise from those on here that run.

Shane Skowron
08-07-2010, 08:50 PM
I already responded to your post on the CrossFit forum, but I guess here I'm more free to go against the CF methodology without reprisal.

Anyway, is that your only goal? Just to be a runner? There's nothing wrong with that, but if that's what you really want, then the key is basically to do as much running as possible without hurting yourself or your recovery.

Here's a pretty good 100 mile training program:
http://www.hillcountrytrailrunners.com/docs/100MilerTraining%20Plan_mike.html

sean richard
08-08-2010, 09:32 AM
Back is high school I had a goal to finish a marathon. I started running a few days a week but was always getting hit with shin splints and sore calves so gave up running and started biking. Fast forward 10 years and I find out about barefoot or minimalist shoe running. I also Found out about Pose and chi running from Crossfit and the book "Born to run". I finally started to run again the least year or so with no injuries with a new fire on my goal to finish a marathon. That goal changed this past year when I found out about Ultra Marathons from the born to run book and said to my self why stop at the marathon when people are running 100+ miles without getting hurt. My main goal overall is to be strong and be able to move freely as I age but finishing a ultra marathon would be the icing on the cake for me.

sean richard
08-08-2010, 09:49 AM
Shnae this is set up as a 26 week program peaking at race week. would a person use this template year round or only as a lead up to a event?

Shane Skowron
08-08-2010, 04:15 PM
Shnae this is set up as a 26 week program peaking at race week. would a person use this template year round or only as a lead up to a event?


Probably not, only as a lead up to an event.

If not training for an event I think you should focus on shorter distance endurance (5-10k), hiking ability, and some basic lifting for injury prevention and strength. It can't be good for you to do that much volume all year round.

Steve Shafley
08-09-2010, 05:59 AM
I'd say find some other ultra runners and have them help you out. Crossfit Endurance WODs seem to be unable to produce results for the main proponents with a string of smack talking coupled with humiliating DNFs followed by extensive excuse making.

Gary Ohm
08-09-2010, 08:14 AM
I'd say find some other ultra runners and have them help you out.

That's a really good idea. Though it is amazing how hard it is to find ultrarunners. They seem to be as elusive as the unicorn in some areas of the country.

Crossfit Endurance WODs seem to be unable to produce results for the main proponents with a string of smack talking coupled with humiliating DNFs followed by extensive excuse making.
This is the funniest (and perhaps one of the most true) thing I've read in weeks. Thanks for that.:D

Bill Ripley
08-09-2010, 08:16 AM
I'd say find some other ultra runners and have them help you out.

http://www.getguts.com/

http://www.ultrarunning.com/

Shane Skowron
08-09-2010, 08:43 AM
The best source of information in the ultra community is the ultrarunning list serv
http://listserv.dartmouth.edu/Archives/ultra.html

There are a little over 2000 people on the list and it's not unusual to get a response from an elite-level, experienced ultrarunner.


The other good sites are:

http://ultrunr.com/

and

http://www.run100s.com

sean richard
08-09-2010, 08:06 PM
http://www.ultrarunning.com/ultra/8/8_1/the-long-training-run.shtml


quote from link "Ultrarunners are an idiosyncratic bunch. They practice the sport in a thousand peculiar and individual ways. But on any given weekend, a high percentage of them will all be doing pretty much the same thing: completing a long training run. Thatís because the long run is widely recognized as the most important element in the ultrarunnerís training regime, especially for the beginner."

I guess this article proves that crossfit endurance will not work if you want to make it to the top in ultra endurance events. CFE might get you fit enough to finish 100 miles but to finish at the top it looks like one long run a week is needed

Shane Skowron
08-10-2010, 02:21 PM
http://www.ultrarunning.com/ultra/8/8_1/the-long-training-run.shtml


quote from link "Ultrarunners are an idiosyncratic bunch. They practice the sport in a thousand peculiar and individual ways. But on any given weekend, a high percentage of them will all be doing pretty much the same thing: completing a long training run. Thatís because the long run is widely recognized as the most important element in the ultrarunnerís training regime, especially for the beginner."

I guess this article proves that crossfit endurance will not work if you want to make it to the top in ultra endurance events. CFE might get you fit enough to finish 100 miles but to finish at the top it looks like one long run a week is needed

Exactly right.

Garrett Smith
08-11-2010, 06:08 AM
Are you saying I can't Tabata sprint my way to the top of the ultra world??? This cannot be!

Steve Shafley
08-12-2010, 11:47 AM
So far it doesn't seem to let you get to 15 miles, much less 50.

Adrian Miles
08-23-2010, 02:31 AM
Steve - you'd be refered to as a 'hater' on the CFE boards by some.. :rolleyes:

Brian Stone
08-23-2010, 04:58 AM
I've been training for the marathon goal for a bit. Talking to runners, I understand a lot of factors are important with respect to race day itself, just like any competition. There are the mental effects to focus on with running in front of spectators and being in competition itself, and then moderating your pace and not starting to subconsciously draft behind other runners. Also diet on race day and other things are all considerations. I think getting in gradually longer races and starting small is invaluable.

I'm doing a half marathon in October and will run a full sometime thereafter based on my experience at that event, but right now I'm leaving the timing and planning for further progress until after an evaluation of my performance and progress. This is more or less the advice I've gotten from other runners.

Darren Reed
08-24-2010, 10:29 PM
I have run a few half marathons on nothing but short metcon training. Its doable, but you arent going to compete with endurance athletes who have trained specifically for the event. You wanna excel at long distance, you gotta train long distance at some point! I was able to "slog" through 21 as mentally, I now KNOW i can run it, and it just doesnt "hurt" as much as some of the workouts we do, so its purely just a matter of grinding it out. But, as always, knowm your goals. If you want to kick serious tail at half to ultra marathon events, dont expect to do it on metcon and sprints alone! Consult anything written by Tim Noakes.