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Kevin Shaughnessy
09-11-2010, 04:29 PM
I have problems with wrist pain so I bought a wrist roller to build some strength. Unfortunately I dont know how to program with a wrist roller so I've come seeking the wisdom of the catalyst athletics board. My only preferance would be high frequency, for no other reason then I enjoy a good forearm pump and I think it would be fun to train the wrist roller 4 times a week. Any suggestions are welcome.

Derek Simonds
09-11-2010, 09:50 PM
The wrist roller is fun, the limiting factor with the roller is usually the shoulders. The most efficient wrist rollers are suspended between a squat rack so you can really amp up the jackage.

Another great way to really work the forearms is to do 20 rep sets of BB Crush, BB Standing Thumbless Flexion and BB Extension in a row for 4 sets. I wish I could find the original writeup by one of the grip guys but he did this 4 times a week and put an inch on his forearms over 6 weeks.

Patrick Donnelly
09-12-2010, 12:36 PM
Here's my favorite wrist prehab/rehab exercise:

Grab a 10lb sledgehammer by the end. Take a pretty narrow stance, then with a straight arm, simply swing your arm back in forth to make arcs that are about 120 degrees. Be sure you don't clock yourself in the ankle with the hammer. Once you can do that without fear of smacking yourself, you can let the hammer swing through to vertical in the front of the movement (bending your arm then makes it easier), then balance it for a few seconds with your grip and wrist movement before letting it drop into the next arc. Work for 25-50 reps per hand, for one or two sets.


Call me crazy, but it's good. It's a good combination of mobility work, high reps for bloodflow, smooth flowing movement (not at all like smacking something with a sledge), wrist traction (especially as the weight swings through the bottom), and fine motor coordination (balancing at the top). The only downside is the whole risky business of swinging a hammer around. Honestly though, if it lets a 200lb+ guy do handstands without hurting his wrists, it has to have some merit.


I'm a fan of the forearm roller too, but the hammer is better for (my) wrist injuries.

Brian M Smith
09-13-2010, 12:25 PM
this might be relevant to your interests OP

http://www.grapplearts.com/Grip-Strength-Training.htm

John Alston
09-13-2010, 01:45 PM
nice link.
most forearm "programs" advocate frequency/volume and variety.
Old school BB article... http://ditillo2.blogspot.com/2009/09/4-forearm-routines-larry-scott.html

John Alston
09-13-2010, 02:05 PM
Made this from old cheap db.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4086/4987416891_1865284597.jpg

Gant Grimes
09-15-2010, 12:11 PM
Learn to sword fight.

Derek Simonds
09-15-2010, 12:16 PM
Learn to sword fight.

Flipping the channels waiting on the wife last night I saw an interesting samurai sword fight on a 1000 ways to die...

Gant Grimes
09-15-2010, 12:47 PM
Flipping the channels waiting on the wife last night I saw an interesting samurai sword fight on a 1000 ways to die...

That's odd. They usually pick obscure or novel ways to die. Fighting a samurai seems like a pretty obvious risk.

Ben Moskowitz
09-16-2010, 02:52 AM
Since you mention pain, several ideas are mentioned in this thread (http://performancemenu.com/forum/showthread.php?p=80698#post80698), albeit not in much detail. A search here or on the Crossfit boards will produce a lot of stuff. Steven Low answers a lot of questions.


After things are less painful, consider checking out David Horn's recommended grip program for beginners:
http://www.davidhorne-gripmaster.com/basics.html

or in PDF format made by someone else:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=5GP7TB9L

I seem to be seeing a lot of newbies jumping into all sorts of feats of strength's, including bending before they have got any real base strength in the hands and wrists.

This is what I would advise to the pure beginner to start with, for a good few months before he/she decides on the path they want to choose. I think this will stop a lot of injuries that are happening due to imbalances between certain areas.

I had wrist pain so I started with just stretching and icing. Then a little bit of rice bucket. Then some serious rice bucket (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mzcbgpes3is). And now the David Horn program.

I've been doing the beginner program for maybe a month. The first few workouts I rushed through the rest periods, resulting in forearm pumps. However, I found this to be inversely related to strength gains. Proper rest periods are a good idea. Consider supersetting with other "small" exercises (I've been doing rotator cuff stuff). I've also found fractional plates to be useful for incremental loading on everything besides the finger curls.

Steve Shafley
09-16-2010, 05:58 AM
Nick McKinless has a good program he listed over on EliteFTS

http://www.elitefts.com/documents/strong_hands.htm

Nick is in the top 5 grip guys in the world. Friend and something of a former protege of David Horne.

Strong Hands Not Geek Grip!

There was a time when having strong hands was just part of training and not a subculture all of its own. Strong hands were one section of the body trained equally hard and rested enough to recover and work them again the next session. However, having strong hands does not mean you have to start discussing the intricacies of grip technique. If having strong hands does nothing but give you great confidence to hang onto the bar for deadlifts or farmerís walks then the goal has been achieved.

Closing a No. 3 COC Gripper might be a nice feat, but it isnít going to give you a decent all round grip strength for Strongman, powerlifting, or any other strength based sport. Rarely does the dynamic nature of grippers come into play in any sport or activity. Grappling is one such sport, but even for these athletes I can still think of better exercises than grippers alone.

Most of the strength required for strong hands is that of supporting strength, pinching strength, and wrist strength. If you train these three areas diligently, you will have a great all round grip and strong hands to go with your already (I hope!) strong body.

Supporting Strength

The power rack deadlift with a 2-inch range of motion. I have all beginners do this exercise for grip work. Many trainers like to have people hang from a chin-up bar. I use this as well, but there is nothing like feeling heavy, heavy weights in the hands to make you feel strong.

Start with a double overhand grip and work up to a maximum weight. Hereís the ďsecretĒ bit though. Make sure you have the bar behind your back and still have the hands double overhand. If you do it in front, you can pull the bar into your thighs. Behind the back and itís all grip. When you canít lift it anymore in this style, switch to a reverse grip and load up those wheels! The very best can handle well over 1000 lbs so donít be shy. For a change of pace, try a fat bar.

The farmerís walk or holds. Farmerís walks are now famous in strength sports and rightly so. It doesnít matter whether you use dumbbells, EZ curl bars, kettlebells, or farmerís walk bars. The point is to just do them. If you want an exercise that hits just about everything but puts extra stress on the hands then the farmerís walk is for you. For overload work that doesnít require any movement, do farmerís holds. Make sure you are only lifting them a few inches so that itís the hands not the back thatís getting worked.

Pinching Power

There are so many pinch exercises, but the best ones for any gym no matter where you are in the world are two handed pinches with two 45s and one handed pinches with two 25s or two 35s. If you need to add weight, get a short piece of 2-inch piping and stick it through the middle of the plates. Add weight as required. The greatest strength gained from pinching is the stress that it puts on the thumbs. Thumb strength is crucial for strong hands. I also like pinching with a towel over the plates or with gloves on. It means less weight, but the advantage is that you can do more volume without getting any tears in the webbing of the hands. More volume equals a bigger pinch, which equals stronger thumbs which equals stronger hands!

Wrist Flexion and Extension

Wrist strength is so overlooked that many great grippers and guys with strong hands donít do anything for the wrists, and thatís a recipe for an injury from a lack of balance in the forearms. Ideally, you would want to do all forms of wrist work. However, with time constraints, I would consider wrist curls and reverse wrist curls essential training.

For wrist curls, I like to have people do them with thumbs under the bar and with the backs of the palms resting on the knees or a bench. This will allow you to use more weight and train them through a range of motion that wonít cause wrist injuries. Rarely is the wrist bent back into the extreme range of motion that people usually do wrist curls. Eventually, this is asking for trouble. Worse still is opening up the hands. Thereís plenty of safer ways to stretch the wrists. The competitive table top wrist curl has seen lifts of over 600 lbs!

For the extensors, I like to have trainees simply grab a 5 lbs or 10 lbs plate. Hold it over the knee in a pinch position and perform a reverse wrist curl. This, like many great exercises, is simple but effective.

How?

If you want, you can fit all this into one session. This will give the hands plenty of time to recover until the next workout. Dedicating one whole training session to grip alone has worked well for many in the past. Hereís an example:

* Pinch, 2 X 45s adding weight until you reach a maximum weight. Drop the weight to 85 percent and either do a couple of holds or do as many reps as possible.

* Power rack 2-inch deadlift, work up to a maximum weight with a double overhand grip (behind the back, remember). Switch to a reverse grip and work up again. Hold the top weights for five seconds or so, just enough time to know that you ďownĒ the weight but not so long that itís an endurance feat.

* Wrist curl on knees, three sets of 15Ė20 reps

* Reverse plate wrist curls, three sets of 15Ė20 reps

Fitting It into the Routine

For a traditional Westside approach you could do something like this:

ME lower

Pinch, work up to a top max in the two handed pinch

ME upper

Support, work up to a top max in the 2-inch partial deadlift

DE lower

Wrists, 3 X 15Ė20 of wrist curls and plate extensions

DE upper

Pinch, work up to a top max in the one handed plate pinch

Then the next week you would start with a support exercise like the farmerís walk, thus rotating exercises from session to session like the Westside conjugate method.

Strongman training

ME upper body

Pinching, one handed plate pinch to a max

ME lower body

Wrists, 3 X 15Ė20 of wrist curls and plate pinches

Events

Farmerís walk or holds, 3Ė5 sets at 75Ė85 percent or work to a max hold

Iíd like to finish with a word on hand care. Forget looking macho and building up rough, calloused hands. Get a Stanley knife and cut those calluses down every few weeks. Then get in the shower and get a rough stone and smooth them out even more. If you want to go the whole hog, get some hand cream as well. Looking after your hands is just as important as looking after your back or any other body part. Plus Iíve seen too many hands torn apart, including my own, which could have been prevented with a little TLC. Try telling me this is a waste of time after you hit a personal record in the farmerís walk because your hands felt much more comfortable.

Employ these methods, leave the grippers and feats alone for a while, and watch your hand strength soar!

Nick McKinless is a professional stuntman with film credits that include the Matrix trilogy, Troy, and Batman Begins. He has won numerous grip competitions and is a 105 kg Strongman competitor. He has been involved in strength sports for over 20 years. Nick can be contacted at nick@beyondstrong,com.

© Copyright Nick McKinless October 2006

Arden Cogar Jr.
09-17-2010, 10:34 AM
Following Gant's lead, splitting wood and chopping has me sporting some popeye like forearms. Same for many of the folk in my sport.

The muscles recover quickly because you use them frequently. Something about evolution or how we've transformed since walking upright. So repeated and frequent exposure to whatever you are doing to do will be necessary.

My personal thought is that forearms are very similar to calves. Genetically pre-destined. You can get them stronger or make your grip stronger. But the "jackageness" may depend more upon what your mother and father gave you. And noticable structural changes may take years, if not decades. I know, from my own experience, that mine didn't get over 15" (arm extended - not flexed) until I was in my late 30s.

All the best,
Arden