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Gant Grimes
01-13-2011, 08:11 AM
Might as well keep an official tally. Expect updates by the end of the week.

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/1219/ghd.png

Rhabdo count: 95

Andrew Wilson
01-13-2011, 09:33 AM
Lol

Andrew Wilson
01-13-2011, 10:44 AM
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/6262/uc1p.png

Rhabdo Count: 98

Andrew Wilson
01-13-2011, 10:51 AM
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Rhabdo Count: 99

Andrew Wilson
01-13-2011, 10:56 AM
http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/6262/chuck1n.png

Undiagnosed?

Derek Weaver
01-13-2011, 12:57 PM
Wow. A kid may lose his chance at a career in the military because of crossfit. And crossfit is still actively infecting the military's fitness protocols.

I don't really know how his unit works, but wouldn't it suck if he got to where ever he would be stationed, and learn they're a CF affiliate like down at Pendleton?

Geoffrey Thompson
01-13-2011, 01:10 PM
Wow. A kid may lose his chance at a career in the military because of crossfit. And crossfit is still actively infecting the military's fitness protocols.

I don't really know how his unit works, but wouldn't it suck if he got to where ever he would be stationed, and learn they're a CF affiliate like down at Pendleton?

He wouldn't be the first to have ambitions shattered by gin: http://board.crossfit.com/showthread.php?t=61799 And that wasn't even a case of rhabdo.

Arien Malec
01-13-2011, 01:20 PM
But rhabdomyolysis is funny. Coach sez:

http://www.crossfit.com/journal/library/38_05_GluteHam_SU.pdf

Andrew Wilson
01-13-2011, 03:54 PM
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Derek Weaver
01-13-2011, 04:27 PM
Very first WOD and he did it as rx'd. He's either an actual athlete, or stupid. Or both.

I just thought about how stupid this workout was though. 25 ghd sit ups + 5 push jerks x 5 rounds.

Best case scenario with the GHDs is fatiguing of the trunk. Worst case is the development of rhabdo.

couple the fatiguing and resulting inability to "stabilize the midline" with heavy overhead explosive movement?

What about the potential for spinal injury in addition to the shoulder injuries that can result? Wow.

Andrew Wilson
01-13-2011, 05:47 PM
Best case scenario with the GHDs is fatiguing of the trunk. Worst case is the development of rhabdo.

couple the fatiguing and resulting inability to "stabilize the midline" with heavy overhead explosive movement?

What about the potential for spinal injury in addition to the shoulder injuries that can result? Wow.

http://img816.imageshack.us/img816/8505/rfj.png

Andrew Wilson
01-13-2011, 06:01 PM
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Darla Powell
01-13-2011, 06:31 PM
HERE WE GO
CASE #1!!!!
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/1492/gmoney.png

Oh. My. God. You totally called it.

Derek Weaver
01-13-2011, 06:47 PM
HERE WE GO
CASE #1!!!!
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/1492/gmoney.png

Wow...

I use this word commonly on the thread over CFJ on Metabolic Conditioning, but this whole thing is "legendary".

In the history of internet fitness, there has never been a workout that routinely disabled its participants as commonly as CF. And it appears to be happening more often.

and yet, the movement is spreading. Like the clap.

Andrew Wilson
01-13-2011, 06:59 PM
Wow...

I use this word commonly on the thread over CFJ on Metabolic Conditioning, but this whole thing is "legendary".

In the history of internet fitness, there has never been a workout that routinely disabled its participants as commonly as CF. And it appears to be happening more often.

and yet, the movement is spreading. Like the clap.

We're NOT going to NOT program it because people can get hurt with it

WOW

Geoffrey Thompson
01-13-2011, 07:52 PM
Perhaps somebody should start a facebook status message awareness thing.

Gant Grimes
01-13-2011, 09:39 PM
We're NOT going to NOT program it because people can get hurt with it.

Ok. How about not programming it because it's a largely pointless, inferior movement?

Wayne Riddle
01-14-2011, 02:44 AM
The mentality of the main page programmers, and the CF coach I first started with here think that unless you are senseless into the ground, with upchucking after wards as a bonus, then it wasn't a good workout.

In IT when dealing with people that do dumb things on a computer we call it a I-D-Ten-T error (idiot).

Matthew Fried
01-14-2011, 04:31 AM
Mainpage CF Wods could just be posted with scalings & warnings, it's not that hard to do. BrandX does a good job of it. For example when a GHD WOD appears on CF.com, Brand X immediately posts scaling and a warning, "Do not do GHDs in the WOD unless your are acclimatized ..."

Anyway, I'm happy I found CA recently as a result of you guys & these rhabdo threads being on the CF discussion board. After 2 years of CF, I take away some positives & negatives, but finding CA may turn out to be the best thing of all!

Steven Low
01-14-2011, 05:47 AM
Oh great... looks like the CF injuries board will blow up in a couple days to a couple weeks

Peter Dell'Orto
01-14-2011, 07:00 AM
We're NOT going to NOT program it because people can get hurt with it.

Okay, I can see programming a potentially dangerous movement in an exercise program. I mean, I climb ropes. Mess up, and you're not going to be happy. But . . . done right you're not going to have a problem.

Ok. How about not programming it because it's a largely pointless, inferior movement?

That's a pretty good argument. Especially since it seems clear that the opinion here is that if you do them, you're cruising for injury far out of proportion to any benefits of them.

#1: Can be dangerous + useful movement = still useful under certain circumstances.
#2: Is always dangerous if done correctly + margin movement easily outdone by safer movements = pointless, drop it.

GHD Situps sound like a clear case of #2.

I've done GHD situps once or maybe twice. They were hard, and I didn't have to do a lot of them, and honestly I haven't missed them in the (long) time since then. I vastly prefer to be facing the other direction and just do glute-ham raises and back extensions and those Smitty band-resisted planks on them instead.

Steve Shafley
01-14-2011, 08:19 AM
GHD Sit ups:

I've used them off and on for over, I'd say, 20 years.

This issue is entirely with how they are performed. You see:

1. Too fast.
2. Too sloppy
3. Too much volume
4. Used for "met-con" purposes. Which relates directly to points 1 and 2. Using GHDs to elicit a rapid heart rate and large energy use is just stupid.

For me, 2-3 slower sets with me reaching down and touching the floor, for 10-12 reps was plenty of work. If you have to blast them with high reps, then it's not being programmed right.

Due to the positions, which can be precarious, it's got a big potential to hurt something. The suggestions Glassman wrote to help mitigate those are silly and useless.

Andrew Wilson
01-14-2011, 08:54 AM
#2
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/3273/timmyd.png

Geoffrey Thompson
01-14-2011, 09:13 AM
It's hard to know whether any of these are rhabdo yet, so I wouldn't start counting. I've certainly had DOMS in my abs almost that bad, though it was not from situps.

Andrew Wilson
01-14-2011, 09:26 AM
Yeah only the diagnosed cases get an official Rhabdo Count.

Matthew Fried
01-14-2011, 09:59 AM
How far back in time does this search/count go?

Andrew Wilson
01-14-2011, 10:07 AM
How far back in time does this search/count go?

Any undiscovered diagnosed rhabdo case caused by CrossFit that I don't have recorded will count.

Matthew Fried
01-15-2011, 08:44 AM
I was involved with a diagnosed case of rhabdo in 2009. Friend of mine got it after jumping pull-ups. He's OK now. It was on the CF discussion boards at the time. Wasn't sure if you were searching back then & beyond!

Geoffrey Thompson
01-27-2011, 08:45 AM
Another case mentioned on the message boards: http://www.board.crossfit.com/showpost.php?p=896675&postcount=15

If it hasn't already been mentioned and accounted for.

EDIT: NEVER MIND he already posted about it.