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Andrew Wilson
04-10-2011, 01:52 PM
WEDNESDAY 110330

CrossFit Games Open 11.2

Complete as many rounds and reps as possible in 15 minutes of:
155 pound Deadlift, 9 reps
12 Push-ups
15 Box jumps, 24" box

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Guy Bertrand
04-10-2011, 06:19 PM
I'm going to assume that your crossfit hate tank is now officially refilled. I hope your friend recovers well.

Steve Shafley
04-10-2011, 07:17 PM
The Glassman WODs weren't great, but they were about a million times better than the stuff that gets posted nowadays, most of which is simply GIGO in movement format.

Guy Bertrand
04-11-2011, 07:57 AM
Maybe a class action lawsuit would be effective. I'm guessing if the lawyers got a group of people together to testify against them they would have a case. The problem is that crossfit spends a good deal of time convincing people to scale and whatnot, but the exercises are only safe when you scale. The reality is that nearly all the WODs are dangerously unchecked and this is what all of the crossfitters aspire to. They aspire to have the ability to complete a very dangerous exercise routine at a very high rate of speed. This is about equal to cutting wood on a saw for time. You can make your new deck by taking your time and making sure everything is cut properly (quality work), or you can go as fast as you possibly can and end up chopping your damn hand off (crossfit). I'm not saying that there never a time to go fast, its just usually not smart to go "elite" speed during the weird mix and match exercises that crossfit provides. I believe the way crossfit protects itself is the same way the alcohol and tobacco companies do. If you chose to do something thats this dangerous for you its your fault...I disagree but I bet this is how they get away with everything. I expect to see a surgeon general warning about crossfit someday.

Geoffrey Thompson
04-13-2011, 02:12 PM
See here: http://board.crossfit.com/showpost.php?p=925771&postcount=38

Some affiliate apparently found 4 cases of torn achilles from the CF Games competition without even looking.

Andrew Wilson
04-13-2011, 02:20 PM
See here: http://board.crossfit.com/showpost.php?p=925771&postcount=38

Some affiliate apparently found 4 cases of torn achilles from the CF Games competition without even looking.

all 4 from that same wod.


Others:

From my Orthos point of view, the outlook on what I will be able to do looks pretty limited. For example, "no, you won't ever be able to do box jumps again without risking an irreparable achilles if you were to have another full rupture. No Plyometrics!”


Looks like we've found the lower body SLAP tear.

Im glad that everything got better! These storied about how you and others make me realize I will be able to crossfit sooner then i think.. I only have a partial tear... or so they think. I was doing box jumps and felt it reallllll good on one landing. Stupid thing was I love box jumps so much I kept going... to the point I couldnt stand the pain anymore. went to the doc last week he thought heel contrusion well now a week later the pain is worse and along my achillies... all the symptoms they say directs to a tear but being in iraq we have no capabilities to do an MRI.... so now im on crutches with a supports brace and waiting out my next three weeks until I go back home and can get an MRI or crossfit again.

I completely tore mine November 2010. Now, 4 months post-op resuming with deadlifts, squats, cleans, etc. Still not cleared to run, jump or row. This is one of the worst injuries. Mine completely blew out during a double-under session. One month prior, I had fallen off a pull-up ladder doing flying pull-ups. At that time, I didn't realize I had caused severe damage. I should have went to the Ortho but kept on going. Now I am paying the price for pushing through the initial pain. Bottom line here is get it checked if you have pain and if you do blow-out, your recovery is slow, painful and a burden to everything and everyone.

I did sit on the couch for 5-6 weeks before I did anything.....I have shoulder issues and my achilles surgery site was extremely painful for about one week in almost any position and for 2-3 weeks after it was very painful to be lower the rest of my body. Lots of pain killers, movies and easy reading books for me. I slept a lot. I pretty much did nothing until rehab given the double injury.

Geoffrey Thompson
04-13-2011, 02:33 PM
Here are a couple:

http://crossfitfire.com/the-new-standard-and-we-mean-it/ See comment - so I think it's Games-related.
http://crossfitsnohomish.com/2011/04/07/april-8th-2011/ And apparently somebody there tore an Achilles tendon on box jumps.
http://www.nathanholiday.com/2011/04/achilles-rupture.html And this young man quite unfortunately seems to have ruptured his achilles tendon.
http://games.crossfit.com/athletes/robert-perovich And another competitor - don't know if he's one of the ones alluded to above.
http://www.crossfitnlp.com/?p=836 One of the coaches.

I suppose this is another reason to leave box jumps out of many types of programming. I wish them all a speedy recovery.

Geoffrey Thompson
04-13-2011, 02:34 PM
Holy shit! all 4 from that same wod:Yeah, those posts goign months and months back are referring to lots of old injuries, but at least four from this one Games workout. It really is quite terrible. People should think long and hard about what they're doing before they engage in "extreme" competitions.

EDITED to be better.

Andrew Wilson
04-13-2011, 03:15 PM
Here are a couple:

http://crossfitfire.com/the-new-standard-and-we-mean-it/ See comment - so I think it's Games-related.
http://crossfitsnohomish.com/2011/04/07/april-8th-2011/ And apparently somebody there tore an Achilles tendon on box jumps.
http://www.nathanholiday.com/2011/04/achilles-rupture.html And this young man quite unfortunately seems to have ruptured his achilles tendon.
http://games.crossfit.com/athletes/robert-perovich And another competitor - don't know if he's one of the ones alluded to above.
http://www.crossfitnlp.com/?p=836 One of the coaches.

I suppose this is another reason to leave box jumps out of many types of programming. I wish them all a speedy recovery.

7 rounds for time:
10 box jumps
10 wall ball shots..
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It's official... I'm part of the rupture club as of yesterday! I'm going to have the most awesome bedazzled boot ever! Can't wait to start the boot workouts in 2 weeks or so.

Achilles Rupture
This is the first traumatic injury I've ever had. Happened on Sunday redoing the 2nd Sectionals WOD. I was at 11+27 with a 50 seconds to go when it blew out. I frantically looked behind me to see who had hit me, and then realized it had ruptured.
I have a meeting with an orthopedic surgeon tomorrow and will get surgery as soon as possible.

I have some thinking to do about what I want and what's important to me.
sorry people on WOD#2 with 4:30 left in the WOD on my 11th round on the box jumps I ruptured my Achilles, I hope it`s not torn, we will see, sorry everyone. I have a video showing the workout and it will be posted on youtube to show my injury, wear ear muffs while listening
Let’s send our support to our very own Coach Nathan. During the sectional wod 11.2, he ruptured his achilles tendon. He is an awesome athlete and a great inspiration to many of us. We are a team and he is a major part of our success. Please take the time to send your prayers for a speedy recovery his way. P.s. send veggies not cookies….

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From the top of my head, back when I studying up on Verks work (creator of depth jump), there's a hierarchy of special exercises that leads into boxjumps/depthjumps use, to prepare the muscles and tendons for the shock method. the minimum I think was 60cm at the start of the block training, but the rep scheme at first does not exceed 30 reps; and this is for elite, conditioned, olympic sport athletes. this is common S&C knowledge.

Andrew Wilson
04-13-2011, 03:30 PM
Yeah, those posts goign months and months back are referring to lots of old injuries, but at least four from this one Games workout. It really is quite terrible. People should think long and hard about what they're doing before they engage in "extreme" competitions.

EDITED to be better.

*6 now, someone at that specific event facebook-ed me and said the number is up to 6. This is insane.

Derek Weaver
04-13-2011, 03:44 PM
I'd never thought about Achilles tears and ruptures. I can't believe how lucky I was to escape CF before destroying a part of my body.

Back and shoulder problems sure, but Achilles... Makes sense.

Andrew Wilson
04-13-2011, 03:44 PM
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Andrew Wilson
04-13-2011, 04:07 PM
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Non CrossFit Open ruptures:
Hi to my shoreline family, i just want to thank everyone who help take care of megin while i was in california. it hard to be so far and have your child get hurt and not be able to do anything about it, but i knew she was in good hands with all of you. Special shout out to liz(cfm) who lived at my house for the weekend taking care of her. Meg see's the surgeon first thing in the am to pick a date for surgery. She doing well just mad because she cant work out but, she coming up with ideas ! UGH! For those of you who are wondering what im talking about meg ruptured her achilles tendon fri night doing box jumps and her shoreline family took care of her taking her to the ED , waiting with her, and always making her laugh when she needed it . Undrea thanks for being there also i know you are busy but the medical advice helped out a lot. Again thank you everyone



FOR THOSE WHO CARE, I RECENTLY RUPTURED MY ACHILLES TENDON(AT THE CROSSFIT RUNNING CERT OF ALL THINGS).....
KEEP PUSHING HARD, I WILL TRY TO GET BACK SOON...I/M HEARING NO RUNNING FOR 6-9MONTHS(NICE!!!)...OPTING TO HAVE SURGERY, NO ACTIVITY FOR ABOUT 3 WEEKS, THEN 6 MORE WEEKS IN CAST/ BOOT.....
DAN/ CHRIS, U BETTER START RE-ENFORCING ALL THOSE C2'S CUZ WHEN I GET BACK THEY/RE GONNA GET SOME SICK WORK PUT IN ON THEM....
ON A POSITIVE NOTE, I MIGHT B AT THE BBQ NOW CUZ I CAN/T WORK....SEMPER CROSSFIT, RD

Guy Bertrand
04-13-2011, 04:12 PM
Yeah I can't thank you guys enough for enlightening me. I just believed everything I read on the crossfit website because...hell special forces guys can't be wrong right? If I would have injured myself because of my ignorance of crossfit's lies, it would have severely jeopardized the livelihood of my family. I have to do alot of walking around on offshore platforms, because I work for the government agency that inspects them. If I can't walk, I can't work, and with government downsizing right now, it would be bad to be hurt....So thanks again for saving me...I really mean it.

Steve Shafley
04-13-2011, 07:26 PM
God damn.

Seriously, these people don't need to sustain injuries that will haunt them for the rest of their lives by doing these workouts thought up by idiots whom actually seem to wish you ill.

Geoffrey Thompson
04-13-2011, 08:20 PM
http://optimumtraining.ca/blog/item/sun-apr-3-2011 Found another, see comment #38. "Three months non weight bearing and six months before any real exercise." One of the comments (#42) said the following: "Was wondering if we'd see that happen on this wod. Jesse at our gym did the same thing over a year ago." Somebody else, #74, had a different injury: "I may be out too. In the second last round of box jumps I had a sharp pain at the anterior lateral aspect of my knee. First the left then the right. I can hardly walk today."

I'm sure ther are some CrossFitters lurking here. Remember: it's all fun and games until somebody gets hurt. Determine your risk/reward ratio and figure out what risks you're taking before you take them, not after you realize you've gone beyond your threshold.

Geoffrey Thompson
04-13-2011, 08:22 PM
http://jevonikner.blogspot.com/2011/04/achilles-blog-3-days-post-op.html Another one. Very unfortunate.

Derek Weaver
04-13-2011, 08:36 PM
We've yet to see any of the CF apologists from the CFJ Metabolic Conditioning thread show up here yet...

It's stunning how many injuries are coming from this workout.

Does anyone think Budding and Castro are sitting there going "Holy shit, this isn't good." or are they just counting entrance fees and trying to think up the oddest and worst programmed workouts they can think of? Are they oblivious?

raj rihal
04-13-2011, 09:54 PM
On top of it all, most people will never admit that it was CF that caused their injury. Lots of stupidity.

Benching 60 pounds, 3 months post op! A life time of being injury free and 20k lost in wages thanks to CF.

Andrew Wilson
04-15-2011, 11:35 AM
http://jevonikner.blogspot.com/2011/04/achilles-blog-3-days-post-op.html Another one. Very unfortunate.

Ok , so Sunday April 3rd I suffered an Injury known as a Ruptured Achilles Tendon. The injury occurred in the midst of a workout routine , specifically performing box jumps. There were no symptoms or signs of concern leading up to the injury , in fact I felt extremely good and spent adequate time warming up including applying the lacrosse ball to my calves for a good amount of time. With about 2minutes left of a 15 minute workout while landing from a box jump I experienced a bizarre feeling as if someone had kicked me in the back of my lower leg. My initial thought was " What in the world just hit me?" I soon realized that there was nothing that "hit" me but rather I had serious injury. I had a strong feeling that it was my achilles that tore and after feeling for my achilles tendon and realizing it wasnt there , my feeling was confirmed. I held out hope that it was just a partial tear despite knowing deep down it was a full tear. The orthopedic Dr had confirmed that it was indeed a full tear. He said that surgery would give me the best chance at restoring strength and function albeit may never be 100 percent. So surgery is Friday and thus the long road to recovery begins. From what I'm told , 6 - 8 Months of Rehabbing is expected. Time to stay resilient and patient. Yes I'll be limited physically for a bit , however fitness is much more than physical capabilities. Fitness is inclusive to Mind and Spirit aswell , and this injury provides a chance for me to improve upon those aspects. As strange as it may sound , Im looking forward to that.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-WCRGR7iywkQ/Tah99_S1BxI/AAAAAAAABtE/jlPUld-bJ0c/s320/IMAG0921.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-kS9WDIwK_l0/Tah-BY5NHpI/AAAAAAAABtM/pXEGMnQ9jvs/s320/IMAG0925.jpg

Wow

Patrick Donnelly
04-15-2011, 09:32 PM
On top of it all, most people will never admit that it was CF that caused their injury. Lots of stupidity.

You're at a party and you have a couple of drinks, but you're feeling okay. You hop in the car to drive home, and on the way, you find yourself swerving off the side of the road into a small ravine, where you hit a tree and total your car. The most rational explanation would have been that you were more tipsy than you thought.

Do you admit to yourself it was the alcohol?



Were any of these injuries at the same competition? I really hope not.

Imagine, running one heat of the competition, then two out of five competitors pop their Achilles. The heat ends, and it's time for the next batch of five. They do the same workout, and *pop* there goes another tendon. I'm hoping the people that run these things would have the sense to stop it if that were the case.

raj rihal
04-15-2011, 10:22 PM
i know one of those guys that popped their achilles.

Andrew Wilson
04-16-2011, 07:35 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3F0gl4MQeQ

I'm a CrossFit athlete and crossfit is an intense workout that has constantly varied, functional movement, at high intensity. And when I ruptured my achilles tendon....

Blair Lowe
04-16-2011, 04:03 PM
Anybody know whether these were incurred if they were jumping off the box at the top and landing on both feet at the same time, perhaps trying to rebound off the floor (most likely being concrete maybe with a stall mat over).

Just wondering, since generally when doing these I just alternate stepping down with the legs one at a time. Jump up, step down though I have done the jump up, jump down rebound jump up.

Matt Thomas
07-22-2011, 11:01 AM
Did I get rhabdo?

I was at a CF gym about a year ago (i know, i know) and we went through a pretty "intense" workout. A little while after I got home I went to the bathroom and peed straight coffee. Knowing what rhabdo was and that this was one of the symptoms I freaked out and proceeded to drink about a gallon and a half of water/gatorade (it seemed like the thing to do). I told myself if I went to the bathroom again and it hadn't improved I'd go to the doctor. Fortunately next time I went to the bathroom it was normal color. I wasn't really sore, I never swelled up, and after that there were really no other symptoms.

Did I have mild rhabdo or was I just dehydrated? Just curious.

Ryan Hoegner
07-22-2011, 01:07 PM
Anybody know whether these were incurred if they were jumping off the box at the top and landing on both feet at the same time, perhaps trying to rebound off the floor (most likely being concrete maybe with a stall mat over).

Just wondering, since generally when doing these I just alternate stepping down with the legs one at a time. Jump up, step down though I have done the jump up, jump down rebound jump up.

Blair, pretty sure everybody nuked them rebounding off the bottom, at least the people I spoke with.

If people really want to do box jumps there really is no issue with jumping up and stepping down. Might kill your "wod time" :D

Blair Lowe
07-22-2011, 02:47 PM
I think there is a forum member on the CFboard, Jesse Gray? Anyways they believe that making sure you land on the box on the entire foot vs just the forefoot keeps you safer.

Dunno. If I remember Jesse is a S&C for UCDavis.

Steven Low
07-22-2011, 04:18 PM
Did I get rhabdo?

I was at a CF gym about a year ago (i know, i know) and we went through a pretty "intense" workout. A little while after I got home I went to the bathroom and peed straight coffee. Knowing what rhabdo was and that this was one of the symptoms I freaked out and proceeded to drink about a gallon and a half of water/gatorade (it seemed like the thing to do). I told myself if I went to the bathroom again and it hadn't improved I'd go to the doctor. Fortunately next time I went to the bathroom it was normal color. I wasn't really sore, I never swelled up, and after that there were really no other symptoms.

Did I have mild rhabdo or was I just dehydrated? Just curious.
No one will ever know since you didn't get your creatine kinase levels tested... one of the symptoms fit but if you didn't experience any level of soreness or decrease in strength it was probably minor at worst..., but still.