View Full Version : Max GH output....burn loads of fat this way?

Mike ODonnell
04-11-2007, 04:32 PM
Ok so using random variables from all sorts of info.....

- GH's greatest production is during first few hours of sleep
- GH is high when glucagon rises and insulin is lowered
- A meal high that makes a high insulin response will have an insulin crash 3 hours later

so....why not for a short term, eat a meal high in high GI carbs and protein at 6pm....create an insulin response...have the blood sugar crash 3 hours later....feel tired, go to bed and be primed for a huge GH release....

thoughts? anyone tried it? I might test subject this one "short term".....as I like my pancreas.....plus with the IF and no carbs the rest of the day...I'll work on improving insulin sensitivity.....sounds good in theory.....

Neal Winkler
04-11-2007, 08:19 PM
Seems kinda logical actually, given that if our ancestors would of experienced anything approximating an insulin spike it would of been that huge later evening meal followed by going to bed a little while later.

Mike ODonnell
04-11-2007, 09:09 PM
In my theory (I should of stated above) it's all about the high GI and no fat.....again not the healthiest but I wonder if it works short term for those "hard to get off" pounds.....eat fat and protein all day....and then all the low fat carbs with higher GI that you can eat 3 hours before bed......again just a short term thing as pancreas is something I would want to keep around....kind of like the WD with all you can eat low fat ice cream for dinner....I'm pretty sure I could find some local test subjects....

Pierre Auge
04-12-2007, 03:12 AM
pick your high GI carbs wisely, as hunter gatherers would have been limited in their pickings for these things. Imagine what it would most likely be, I think this would bring the most accurate results..

Honey, Maple Syrup, and any other very high GI item that would have been accessible to a glutonous HG.

Steve Shafley
04-12-2007, 05:12 AM
My contention:

Physiological levels of GH seem to just keep things at an even keel. I don't think you can release enough to see a significant "boost" in GH, even if you do everything exactly right. I think you might be able to maintain GH levels as you age, if you follow some protocols, but aside from just feeling better and having the exercise response of the younger you, I don't think there's that much extra going on.

Mike ODonnell
04-12-2007, 05:32 AM
Honey, Maple Syrup, and any other very high GI item that would have been accessible to a glutonous HG.

I'll pile them on top of my pancakes :D

Pierre Auge
04-12-2007, 10:06 AM

Robb Wolf
04-12-2007, 01:20 PM
I think Shaf is right on here. It's tough to get suypra-physiological levels of hormones for any length of time and when we do get them there is always a downside at some point.

GH is tied to insulin sensitivity, glucose and blood fatty acid levels. High blood clucose and or fatty acids =decreased/blunted GH release. Thsi is some of the feedback mechanism in GH release, GH released, fatty acids are released into the blood stream, GH goes down.

MOD, in your scenario a high GI meal will almost certainly result in an increase in blood glucose levels, followed by an increase in blood insulin levels...then a crash in both cases. The brain needs some kind of fuel. It can be ketones if adaptation occurs but it MUST be glucose if one is insulin resistant as ketone bodies will very sparingly pass the blood brain barrier. So when the glucose drops the body will likely release cortisol to bring glucose levels back up. Adios to testosterone AND GH.

Glycolosys appears to also block many of the hormetic effects of fasting and low carbs...so a whack of carbs before bed may be the worst possible option of any.

Pierre Auge
04-12-2007, 01:23 PM
Yay for Robb Wolf...

Not that I would ever try that anyways but if I had any inclination its gone now...

Mike ODonnell
04-12-2007, 02:59 PM
Robb is killing my million dollar book idea......

Robb Wolf
04-12-2007, 03:51 PM
Sorry Dude...I excel in the art of the Buzz-Kill.

Allen Yeh
04-13-2007, 04:41 AM
Robb is killing my million dollar book idea......

All you have to do is point out that Robb flies on flying saucers with the nerd-herd and all his credibility goes out the window!

Mike ODonnell
04-13-2007, 05:21 AM
oh wait...I just remembered....all those nerdy smarty pants books don't sell....and the ones with no credible info but have bright shiny pictures and a paid actor/model on the front sell like hotcakes.....The Ice Cream Diet will make millions!!

Robb Wolf
04-13-2007, 06:43 AM
All you have to do is point out that Robb flies on flying saucers with the nerd-herd and all his credibility goes out the window!

The mere notion that I have ANY credibility is a scary and telling thing.