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Allen Yeh
04-13-2007, 05:16 AM
Yesterday in my mail I got the latest Hard Style from DD and there was a full page of DD comrades explaining why KB's trump DB's. (Coach Rut's blog had a little thing talking about this).

http://coachrut.blogspot.com/2007/04/up-flag-pole.html

Some of these things were the most ridiculous reasons ever!

My wife and I own a few DD KB's at my place but I never bought into the "KB's are better for everything hype." I personally like KB's for swings better than DB's because of the feel. I also prefer doing high rep snatches with a kb rather than a DB too.

Steve Shafley
04-13-2007, 05:35 AM
Greg Everett's piece on KBs in the PMenu is a good place to start.

You can't do GS with a dumbbell!

Wait, there was that goofy 4x4 guy who did dumbbell curls and presses for hundreds of reps and 20-45 minute duration sets with the 40# db.

http://www.fitness4x4.com/

James Evans
04-13-2007, 06:05 AM
How dare you call Dragan goofy!

But you're spot on. He's doing GS with dbs. Didn't I say previously he was the poorman's Pavel?

Pierre Auge
04-13-2007, 06:11 AM
I liked Rutman's post as well, while I miss his workouts I enjoy reading his thoughts!

Mike ODonnell
04-13-2007, 06:11 AM
DD pushing KBs?? No way.......

Allen Yeh
04-13-2007, 06:17 AM
DD pushing KBs?? No way.......

Some of those reasons...soooo LAMEEEEE!!!!

Mike ODonnell
04-13-2007, 06:22 AM
Like:

KBs won't roll off your desk
KBs come with a Free carrying handle
KBs come in a variety of colors such as black, and blacker
KBs are too heavy for people to steal
KBs act as a home security system when placed over doorways
KBs will make you speak Russian

James Evans
04-13-2007, 07:01 AM
Dragon Door? What do they know about anything?

Kettlebells are so last year...

http://www.fitness4x4.com/images/article2a.jpg

Believe in the Serb!

Allen Yeh
04-13-2007, 07:06 AM
Dragon Door? What do they know about anything?

Kettlebells are so last year...

http://www.fitness4x4.com/images/article2a.jpg

Believe in the Serb!
I've never even heard of this guy....sheesh I think my arms would fall off!

BTW James I will preemptively blame you for my arms falling off since now I just have to see how many of these I can do in a row.

"It's just a flesh wound..."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9HrinSGOvs

Billy_Brummel
04-13-2007, 07:49 AM
Dragon Door? What do they know about anything?

Kettlebells are so last year...

http://www.fitness4x4.com/images/article2a.jpg

Believe in the Serb!

My favorite part of the article is: "Bearded scientists may not agree with him, but Dragan is adamant that people should give it a go and see for themselves."

I want to know what the clean shaven scientists say about it!!

Dave Van Skike
04-13-2007, 08:15 AM
Well, this morning I tied out the dog with a 32k, so they do work good for that.

I am in the camp of kb's are more fun for some things like swings and get ups. Can't quantify it but I see it again and again, people loves the kettebell for high rep complexes.

I prefer snatches with a heavy dumbell than a heavy kb.

Best bang for buck home gym is probably a nice 1" ironmind dumbell and pile of garage sale weights.

Greg Everett
04-14-2007, 08:43 AM
any KB instructor/trainer/user worth listening to understands and commmunicates that KBs offfer different stimulus than DBs or barbells--that''s it. For a particular pursuit, a KB may be better suited. But a barbell may be better suited for another.

To say anything is better across the board is absurd. And if you're going to write an entire article on why KBs are bettter than DBs, you better do a little more homework than that.

Steve Shafley
04-14-2007, 10:34 AM
Lesson?

You can't confuse ad copy with gospel.

-Ross Hunt
04-15-2007, 05:02 PM
One of those reasons actually isn't so off-the-wall; Turkish get-ups are substantially easier with kettlebells.

The bell rests behind the hand, pulling it back instead of pushing it straight down. This means that as you try to sit up, you can drive forward in your pressing motion instead of pushing directly up; with a KB you can err on the side of pushing forward; it feels almost like a steep incline press. This makes it easier to balance, as well.

Now does easier in this respect= better? That seems to be a matter of opinion + application. Dumbbell TGUs seem to make the shoulder more of a limiting factor, the reduction in OH strength required for a KB TGU seems to make abdominal strength more of a limiting factor.


And I may be a pussy, but I hate doing swings with dumbbells. It's awkward, grip quickly becomes the limiting factor, and the inability to lean back into the swing as much seems to make it less of a continuous movement and allow less recruitment of the back of the legs. So if you or your athletes are going to do a lot of swings, you can solve these problems by getting a kettlebell.

Or you can solve them by just doing olympic lifts instead, and watching your KB swings go up without training. ;)

Greg Everett
04-15-2007, 05:10 PM
One of those reasons actually isn't so off-the-wall; Turkish get-ups are substantially easier with kettlebells....
Now does easier in this respect= better? That seems to be a matter of opinion + application. Dumbbell TGUs seem to make the shoulder more of a limiting factor, the reduction in OH strength required for a KB TGU seems to make abdominal strength more of a limiting factor.

That''s why I thought that argument did NOT have merit--since when are we aiming to make an exercise easier (by we I mean us, not them--those who make exercise easy for a living)?

For swings, KBs are the goods. I hate swinging DBs too.

Russell Greene
04-15-2007, 06:49 PM
Adam Sandler voice:

Kettlebells are better, they have a displaced center of gravity.

No, dumbbells are better, they allow a vertical line of pull.

No, kettlebells are better, they elongate the pull, making snatches harder

No dumbbells are better, they are cheaper.

No kettlebells are better, they make turkish get ups easier.

No dumbells are better, they make turkish get ups harder.

etc

Allen Yeh
04-16-2007, 01:58 AM
Adam Sandler voice:

Kettlebells are better, they have a displaced center of gravity.

No, dumbbells are better, they allow a vertical line of pull.

No, kettlebells are better, they elongate the pull, making snatches harder

No dumbbells are better, they are cheaper.

No kettlebells are better, they make turkish get ups easier.

No dumbells are better, they make turkish get ups harder.

etc

Stop looking at me, swan!

Mike ODonnell
04-16-2007, 06:18 AM
Stop looking at me, swan!

Did the Penguin tell you do say that?? Ohhh....I see whats going on here...

Catherine Imes
04-16-2007, 09:40 AM
Anyone that knows me, knows I love my KBs...But, I love them for KB Specific Exercises. These are high-rep strength endurance exercises, like KB Snatches, Jerks, swings ect. While these could be done with a dumbbell, the dumbbells design doesn't lend itself to super-high rep stuff like the KB does.

You've got some who are promoting KBs for maximal strength and things that are not specific to the KB, i.e. front squats, presses, Windmills, TGU...

I've used them for low-rep strength stuff and they work, but they are not cost effective for everyone to use them in that manner and they are not adjustable. I've seen some of the RKCs say stuff like, well if you don't think KBs can build strength try SOTs pressing 2-48kg bells. You don't think KBs can build power, try snatching a 48kg.. Anyone price 2-48kg bells? They will run you 500 and that doesn't include shipping. If you don't have an interest in the high-rep, strength endurance exercises, stick with barbells or dumbbells.

I love high rep swings, snatches, jerks (i'm talking multi minute -sets, 100+ reps)...The KB is perfect for those. You also don't have to worry about increasing weight in micro-adjustments for purposes of strength endurance...you just add reps or time.

Greg Everett
04-16-2007, 01:18 PM
I think Catherine is right on. KBs are awesome for KB exercises and thhey deserve credit for what they do well. The problem comes from a few unscrupulous individuals deciding they can fleece all the suckers out there with claims that KBs are the ultimate fitness solution. But that of course isn't unique to KBs--the new bowflex treadclimber apparently does everything also--the diffference is that KBs made their way into legit the S&C world andd the treadclimber never will.

Neal Winkler
04-16-2007, 04:24 PM
KB's are certainly expensive, but so are top of the line barbells and bumper plates.

Ron Nelson
04-16-2007, 07:13 PM
I prefer Russian vodka to the type produced in the US or even Sweden.

I could care less about kb's.

Allen Yeh
04-17-2007, 05:02 AM
I think Catherine is right on. KBs are awesome for KB exercises and thhey deserve credit for what they do well. The problem comes from a few unscrupulous individuals deciding they can fleece all the suckers out there with claims that KBs are the ultimate fitness solution. But that of course isn't unique to KBs--the new bowflex treadclimber apparently does everything also--the diffference is that KBs made their way into legit the S&C world andd the treadclimber never will.

Greg says this as he knows he just ordered a couple of those Bowflex thingy's for his gym....

Jason C. Brown
04-25-2007, 03:25 PM
That was one of the silliest things I've ever read & I love KBs. I love how some arguments claim that KBs make your stabilizers fire more but on the same page DBs are hard to control.. umm... That would be your stabilizers also knucklehead.


Where's Shaf when you need him?