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Steve Shafley
04-28-2007, 07:30 PM
http://www.crossfit.com/discus/messages/3499/40693.html

I like this quote from Tyler:

Now here is some irony for you guys...
Tony Budding edits the videos for CrossFit. About four years ago, before Tony even knew the Glassmans, he ordered a copy of the CrossFit DVD. The original soundtrack to that DVD had some NSFW language in it. Tony sent a complaint to the Glassmans about how he thought the music was a bit inappropriate and that he almost showed it in his classroom. So, the Glassmans changed the soundtrack and sent Tony another copy.
Four years later, Tony is the guy creating the videos, and he is loading them up with foul language.
It's pretty funny. True story, btw.

Tyler

And Tony replying that he'd lose respect from his homies if he bowed down to the man!

Tyler's story is only partially true, actually. I was very surprised when I first joined the CF community to hear such explicit lyrics on songs. I had never been exposed to a business that had been willing to so blatantly disregard political correctness and not cower to the lowest common denominator. Like many of the complainers, I said, "You just can't do that." I have always liked strong music personally; I just didn't think you could have a business that would risk offending sensitive ears. But they (now we) could, can, and do. I never asked for nor received a new copy of the DVD with different music. Instead, I loosened up and allowed my public stance to match my private choices. The music didn't bother me, so why should I stop my students from listening to it (because they were all listening to it on their own).

I think that every single video I've ever made has received at least one compliment and one complaint about the music. I quickly came to the conclusion that it is literally impossible to find music that everyone agrees on. So, I consciously look for a very wide variety of music to use (all from iTunes if you ever want to buy a copy for yourself). I choose music that I like, that I think fits the video, and that I think will motivate folks. I also visit as many affiliates as I can (and I travel quite a bit). I'll just say that the music on the videos is not inconsistent with the music they play in their gyms.

Why not just pick clean lyrics so we don't offend anyone? Well, I think we'd risk losing more of our core crowd than we do now because of the loss of respect for us cowering to political correctness. People swear, people talk about and have sex. People have volume controls, mute and stop buttons. People have very different tastes in music. No one is forced to watch the videos or keep the volume up if they do. No one is paying for the videos or for viewing any part of the site. Affiliates can tell clients to be careful when they watch the videos because some of the lyrics are explicit. It's really simple, at least for me.

Fascinating! Pierre chimes in, but he's a filthy Ottawan, so his opinions don't matter.

I think it's a bit schizophrenic in contrast with the direction the forum has gone.

Personally, I love music about "fithy hoes" and "bitch better have my money!"

-Ross Hunt
04-28-2007, 07:38 PM
I'm certainly not offended, but I think that there's a difference between cowering before political correctness and just being moderate in speech. Should sexually expicit lyrics be your source of motivation in a workout? Violent lyrics--that I can understand, because weightlifting is violent movement?



I would play "Hey Ya" during a workout that wasn't too serous because it's a hilarious song. But I wouldn't broadcast it on the internet. Hypocrisy, or moderation.


Just to be clear, I think that with regard to this particular example, what I'm saying is just hair-splitting. The internet is not exactly the kind of environment in which you have to worry about moral corruption.:D

Eva Claire Synkowski
04-29-2007, 04:45 PM
im a little surprised there was as much of a response as there was. i mean, as a female in the video - im not offended at all. as i said on the blog, the choice of music was discussed before the vid was posted. i think i said something along the lines of "use whatever music you want". if the video was of anything suggestive in nature, then perhaps - but we're doing cleans and pullups. do i support every lyric verbatim? no. but to me, the message was, 'hey - here are some strong chicks and we think thats cool'. maybe im missing something?

contrary to what steve said ;) - pierre did say it well, paraphasing here - its interesting that the music that people have on in their homes and gyms cannot be on a public forum.

there is a point with the WFS rule on the message board. i guess xf has to decide if all forms of their media are WFS or if they apply the WFS/NWFS label to everything.

Derek Simonds
04-29-2007, 06:31 PM
there is a point with the WFS rule on the message board. i guess xf has to decide if all forms of their media are WFS or if they apply the WFS/NWFS label to everything.

Eva I agree, that was the overall point I was making in my post the last time we discussed this. I don't listen to WFS music all the time in any genre (rap, rock or country) and I don't have a problem with it when it is my choice. I have always enjoyed the music choices and usually know the music, I just make sure that if I don't recognize the song or if I know it isn't kid friendly to turn the music down when watching with my children.

I didn't realize how large a response there was last time. I thought Walshy was just being Walshy and trashing on xFit til I went and read the comments from that day.

Although the Britney music in the next video was pretty funny I didn't expect xFit to change. I think that Tony made an excellent point, nobody is paying for those videos or the site.

I really think the problem is solved if they just notate WFS lyrics on the videos the same way you have to do on links in the forum.

Joe Hart
04-29-2007, 07:18 PM
We will see. I posted the link to the WOD video in question and didn't mark it as anything. I am waiting for the MODs to spank me.

Lynne spanked me so I guess the video is considered nonWFS.

Steve Shafley
04-29-2007, 07:50 PM
Damnation seize my soul if I give any quarters, or take any from you!

Steve Shafley
04-29-2007, 08:24 PM
Read some more of that thread, and would like to comment upon a certain moderator and her statements made there-in:

I'd like to point out that my entire ISP is banned from the Crossfit forums for taking Dan John's side in matters. Not just my User ID, but my entire Internet Service Provider was banned. I have never attempted to register another ID on the Crossfit forum.

It doesn't matter that I made hundreds of valid, content-driven posts on the Crossfit forums and had been a part of that community since 2002.

It doesn't matter that I was repeatedly attacked by certain other members of the forum (on the forum) while attempting to discuss matters, yet they weren't banned or even warned.

So, as far as following the rules, the rules seem to apply unequally to those forum users dependent upon their role in the entire organization and whether or not they choose to voice some dissent.

Joe Hart
04-29-2007, 08:34 PM
I got spanked but not for the reason I thought.

Robb-

What is the PM's view of such matters? If we post a video of similar nature should we comment on its non WFS?

Steve Shafley
04-29-2007, 08:37 PM
Enough of me being a bawl baby, though.

Damn, I suck at the intrawebs.

Gary John
04-29-2007, 08:40 PM
Moynihan just gave them a little poke and that thread will go into the hundreds. Funny how easy it is to get them to overeact.

Budding seems to want it both ways. Nothing new.

Yael Grauer
04-29-2007, 09:23 PM
I like Tony's videos. He has done such an awesome job with them, filming from multiple angles and all the captions which really help provide some awesome information that could be missed otherwise. I've done video editing (and I hate it) so I know how tedious the process is. I agree with all the people who wrote they are more concerned with how women are treated than with lyrics... and I also think it's the job of parents to regulate what their kids listen to than it is Tony's job or CF's job or whatever. I also think this is all much ado about nothing. My $.02.

Pierre Auge
04-30-2007, 03:37 AM
I'm offended by the fact that people are offended! STFU and workout, if you have so much time on your hands that all you can do is worry about the musical content of the site then you are there for the wrong reasons. Judge the workouts after doing them - if they don't suit your needs don't f*cking go there!!!

If you don't have anything worthwhile and productive to say about how to improve personal fitness wtf are you doing looking at and reading a fitness website and forum, that to me sounds like you have nothing more valuable to do with your time then waste it, SAD!

Don't worry bout me I'm just pissed that nobody showed for class this morning - Monday morning class is usually a packed house I don't get it .... Maybe they don't like me - I'M OFFENDED BY THAT! ;)

Steve Shafley
04-30-2007, 05:47 AM
It's the beard, Pierre.

Derek Simonds
04-30-2007, 07:33 AM
As I was taking a shower after working out (very important based on Pierre's previous post) I was thinking about this. A few things came up.

1) Pierre maybe you remember but about a year ago there was a video that had some lyrics that went against police. There was a pretty big stir in the comments that day but it died out immediately after. I don't have the brain power or time to search up the day.

2) I really think that this is what happens as things grow. You can't be all things to all people and I am pretty confident that you can offend anyone at anytime on the intraweb without even thinking. To see the practical application of this all we have to do is check with Mr Shafely ;) .

3) There has been some weird sentiment on the the xFit board and comments for a while and Pierre even commented about it and Lynne got on him. I don't want xFit to change or become a paid site as I think it it one of the best resources on the web.

Pierre Auge
04-30-2007, 08:11 AM
If anyone suggests that I'm anti CrossFit again I'm going to lose it! What I am is willing to ty and make things better, more efficient and usable... I don't give a rats ass about offending people because as you said its impossible to please everybody which is why Politicians are so crooked they try to seem perfect and infalable when everyone knows its a ridiculous proposition...

Allen Yeh
04-30-2007, 09:23 AM
I read through the posts and I think the point that wasn't addressed by the "who cares what music it is crowd"

1. The whole NSFW thing, while on the message board if you post links without what type of content you get warned then your post gets deleted and then I guess you get banned if you do it too much. I think I was warned because I said a t-nation article that I linked was SFW, but it isn't to them because of the women that could be displayed on the side of the articles sometimes.

So all those people that said "you chose to be offended...etc" How is this not the same thing as now you have to post SFW/NSFW everytime you post a link anywhere?

Personally I don't find any of the music offensive but I question the reason when there is plenty of music out there that can be motivating without some of the stuff being included.

Ron Nelson
04-30-2007, 09:44 AM
Here's a quick test as to whether a song is "appropriate," or "inappropriate." Simply type out the lyrics to the song and post them in the comments. If your post is removed by someone with authority, the song was likely inappropriate. If it is not, you're in luck. No debate, and I'm not taking sides.
Just a simple litmus test.

As for the song, I hated it and would never have used it as the soundtrack for anything; even a porno. But that's my taste. There are better rap songs out there by people with talent, unlike Lil Rob and Too Short (wasn't he really popular about 12 years ago?).

Pierre Auge
04-30-2007, 10:04 AM
Either way they are going to do what they are going to do --- are we resolving the issue here? Unlikely, my point is simply that yep it could have perhaps used a NWFS lable but hindsight is 20/20... Why are we belaboring about the errors of others when we make so many ourselves? To me thats a waste of time...

Although at the very moment that seems to be something I have plenty of! (is today a holiday I'm not aware of?)

joe murphy
04-30-2007, 10:08 AM
the correct answer is, that's how we roll at topsfield crossfit. gangsta style. :cool:

after all, topsfield is the home of the country's oldest agricultural fair. nothing says keepin' it real, urban grit like the largest pumpkin contest or the blueberry pie eating contest...

Steve Shafley
04-30-2007, 10:14 AM
Blueberry pie!

A P&B amigo of mine is a competitive eater. All 176# of him. He does quite well. Look for him at your county fair this summer!

Pierre Auge
04-30-2007, 11:26 AM
Dude blueberry pie sounds SOOOOO good right now - I can feel the glucose running through my veins!!! Seriously that shit makes me more loopy than a case of beer... And Steve has seen me with a case of beer in me - it ain't that pretty..

Steve Shafley
04-30-2007, 11:28 AM
Pie is my Achilles Heel. My wife makes stupendous pies. I often have to tell her that I don't want any pies made, because then it sets into motion the events where by I end up eating the entire pie in a day or so.

Pierre Auge
04-30-2007, 12:25 PM
Dude pie really sounds good right now - I am bored out of my brains right now I'm going loopy already! I had some Tai Noodle soup this afternoon and I already regret it I was feeling pretty good but now my sinuses are flairing up like crazy...

I've been writing a bunch but now I'm starting to think that I'm just stupid mmmmmmmmmmmm pie!

Ron Nelson
04-30-2007, 12:39 PM
Thanks. Now I can't get that stupid "Cherry Pie" song out of my head.
All this talk of songs and pies has me regretting the IF for some reason.

"She's my cherry pie. . ."

Greg Everett
04-30-2007, 01:00 PM
A couple things -

1) I don't really want to see discussions of this nature here, i.e. what CF is or isn't doing. Those conversations belong on the CF board (sorry, Steve, that leaves you out). As I've said before, discussions of CF in terms of technical training aspects is totally fine. But discusssions of CF business/management, site content not included in aforedescribed material, or gossip is not.

2) As far as the PM stance on linking to videos with potentially offensive material, explicitly labeling whether or not they can be considered 'safe' isn't necessary--the content type of a video/site really only needs to be specified if it's NOT safe as fair warning in case someone's mom is visiting and happens to be looking over a shoulder.

Robb Wolf
04-30-2007, 01:07 PM
I got spanked but not for the reason I thought.

Robb-

What is the PM's view of such matters? If we post a video of similar nature should we comment on its non WFS?

Well...I'm not sure that we have a stance at present. There was a time when CF did not and as things grew bureaucracy was created and rules, either spoken or implied were metered out.

As things grow here I guess that could happen...I honestly do not know. I will say this: Controversy is good for business. This stuff may piss some people off but many, many others talk about it and the videos make the rounds. Good for business.

I think part of the sentiment expressed by people who are up-set by the music is that they want that "place" to be a community...a place you can send your kids, grandparents etc to check out this kick-ass stuff. Many of the videos have started featuring older athletes and I think it's inspiring and SMART because it finally shows some of the scalability and accessibility of the programming. That is good...but if you have to second guess the music...if you are not so sure about sending your kids and grandparents to the site, I guess that can be a problem and potentially a loss for CF. Can you keep everyone happy? No, I guess not, but to me that is a loss.

Robb Wolf
04-30-2007, 01:12 PM
Also...I think it's smart for us to keep things on topics of training, health, fitness etc. We have a load of good people on here and positive stuff to tinker with...lets run with that.

Mike ODonnell
04-30-2007, 01:35 PM
wow...I missed out on this whole thread...take a weekend off...and look what happens....ok...so no more www.buffmother.com links.....

Dave Van Skike
04-30-2007, 01:44 PM
Pie is my Achilles Heel. My wife makes stupendous pies. I often have to tell her that I don't want any pies made, because then it sets into motion the events where by I end up eating the entire pie in a day or so.


Dude. For a man of your stature that is a weak performance. Barely 200 pounds and I reoutinely demolish the pie while it's still hot.

Have to say, after the Nasty Girl vid, I had to buy the album to get the song out of my head.

Derek Simonds
04-30-2007, 02:02 PM
"Pie I love Pie"

http://hekima.lionking.org/ducksandpie/about.html

If you have kids that watch Jimmy Neutron you probably have laughed out loud at his father. I tried to find a video online but alas not one available. I really thought a video would help.

Joe Hart
04-30-2007, 02:17 PM
See, Robb and Greg hit the nail on the head. Can I come over here to play all the time? I will bring my own cup and I promise not to keg stand (often).

Ron Nelson
04-30-2007, 02:44 PM
See, Robb and Greg hit the nail on the head. Can I come over here to play all the time? I will bring my own cup and I promise not to keg stand (often).

MOD, keep an eye on this guy.
Sounds like trouble.

FWIW, I posted my first reply on the CF boards in over a year. It's a smartass thing, but it's a thing nonetheless.

"Pie rules. Cake is for assholes."
-Adam Carrola

David Wood
04-30-2007, 05:28 PM
And I, for one, was delighted to see it. Seriously, I got excited.

Just wished you had given a little bit more information, and a whole new set of folks could have been introduced to the wonderful, weird world of Dan Silver (we must have 1,000's who don't know him).

Steve Shafley
04-30-2007, 05:43 PM
My bad.

The Shaf abides.

Ron Nelson
05-01-2007, 10:28 AM
And I, for one, was delighted to see it. Seriously, I got excited.

Just wished you had given a little bit more information, and a whole new set of folks could have been introduced to the wonderful, weird world of Dan Silver (we must have 1,000's who don't know him).

I was kind of hoping people would take the bait and click on the link. Once they do, they'll bask in the awesomeness.

Mike ODonnell
05-01-2007, 11:07 AM
I was kind of hoping people would take the bait and click on the link. Once they do, they'll bask in the awesomeness.

went to try the link....doesnt work.....

Ron Nelson
05-01-2007, 12:33 PM
I now know what Dave was referring to. I violated CF's AUS by not telling everyone that Dan's site is/is not safe for work. It features no nudity, but has "adult" language. Not the kind of language you'll find in certain rap songs that may or may not be featured as soundtracks for videos of people doing exercises like pull ups and squats and such, but things like "shit" and shit.

Here's a link that will work and transport you to heaven on the internets:

www.theartofdansilver.com

Enjoy.

Robb Wolf
05-01-2007, 01:20 PM
I now know what Dave was referring to. I violated CF's AUS by not telling everyone that Dan's site is/is not safe for work. It features no nudity, but has "adult" language. Not the kind of language you'll find in certain rap songs that may or may not be featured as soundtracks for videos of people doing exercises like pull ups and squats and such, but thinks like "shit" and shit.

Here's a link that will work and transport you to heaven on the internets:

www.theartofdansilver.com (http://www.theartofdansilver.com)

Enjoy.

Funniest fucking site on the Internet. Quote me on that.

Billy_Brummel
05-01-2007, 02:07 PM
Funniest fucking site on the Internet.

...

Yael Grauer
05-01-2007, 02:12 PM
...

LOL!

Billy gets a gold star!! He's almost up there with Ron and MOD on the funny factor!!

Ron Nelson
05-01-2007, 02:45 PM
Funniest fucking site on the Internet. Quote me on that.

Since I have a fuzzy little corner of the site to myself, I will take your quote as a sincere endorsement of my debauchery and writing.

Ken Urakawa
05-01-2007, 03:33 PM
Ahhh, the good old days...I remember being directed over to Dan's site right after I found XF 2 or 3 years ago. Sucked me in for probably 4 hours of hilarity. I expecially love the quotes from his wife.

Robb Wolf
05-01-2007, 06:08 PM
Ahhh, the good old days...I remember being directed over to Dan's site right after I found XF 2 or 3 years ago. Sucked me in for probably 4 hours of hilarity. I expecially love the quotes from his wife.

"you know its like hair...and bangs".

Ron Nelson
05-02-2007, 02:21 PM
You guys should meet Tonya. She's a blast and not nearly as crazy as Dan makes her out to be.

Maybe a little.

Pierre Auge
05-02-2007, 02:26 PM
Dan gave me a ride to the SF airport one time and I remember laughing pretty hard and hearing about shoot fighting and how frank shamrock is an idiot...