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Leo Soubbotine 03-26-2008 07:18 AM

Form check - snatch and c&j
 
The lifts are @ 70-85% (65-75 kg sn and 82.5-90 kg c&j)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRbI_JcvgbQ

All critique is welcome.

Arden Cogar Jr. 03-26-2008 10:34 AM

Leo,
I'm far from competent to comment, but I think you look great. The only thing I noticed was that during your intial dip into the jerk your knees knock or come together. But that could be the camera angle and the lighting. I honestly don't even know if that's bad or not.

Let me say that you do right everything that I don't. Good work.

All the best,
Arden

Dan Heaney 03-27-2008 04:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arden Cogar Jr. (Post 28502)
Leo,
I noticed was that during your intial dip into the jerk your knees knock or come together.

Let me say that you do right everything that I don't. Good work.

All the best,
Arden

I believe he does that on purpose and it's refered to as caving.



Nice looking lifts Leo!!

Leo Soubbotine 03-27-2008 05:44 AM

For some unknown reason it's a lot easier to jerk this way and ever since I switched - never had problems with my jerks (which is a good thing, since I don't have to worry about spending extra time training them).

I used to do that playing basketball and it came automatically.
It's an iffy technique since I haven't seen anyone use it, but it does make the jerk a lot easier and so far I like it.

Dan-
I love the background in all them pics! Reminds me of Motherland.

Arden Cogar Jr. 03-27-2008 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leo Soubbotine (Post 28535)
For some unknown reason it's a lot easier to jerk this way and ever since I switched - never had problems with my jerks (which is a good thing, since I don't have to worry about spending extra time training them).

I used to do that playing basketball and it came automatically.
It's an iffy technique since I haven't seen anyone use it, but it does make the jerk a lot easier and so far I like it.

Dan-
I love the background in all them pics! Reminds me of Motherland.


Caving.....now I know something new and something I just have to try on my next session. My jerks suck. I'm just getting comfortable with the full squat cleans.

Thanks so much. I love learning.

Oh and that picture is awesome!!!!

All the best,
Arden

Kevin Perry 03-27-2008 11:07 AM

Great looking lifts Leo. A Snatch and Jerk are always motivating to watch.

Dan Heaney 03-27-2008 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leo Soubbotine (Post 28535)
For some unknown reason it's a lot easier to jerk this way and ever since I switched - never had problems with my jerks (which is a good thing, since I don't have to worry about spending extra time training them).

I used to do that playing basketball and it came automatically.
It's an iffy technique since I haven't seen anyone use it, but it does make the jerk a lot easier and so far I like it.

Dan-
I love the background in all them pics! Reminds me of Motherland.

I tried caving today with my behind the head jerks and I hit a new PR (220lbs). I really does help.

Craig Snyder 03-27-2008 08:05 PM

I am really quite inexperienced with oly lifting, but the idea of caving my knees like that with any amount of weight on my body makes me cringe. Can someone explain to me why they would do that or even why some are getting PRs with that jerk technique?

Thanks,

Craig

Leo Soubbotine 03-27-2008 08:09 PM

Probably for the same reason people cave in knees naturally when they're coming out of a squat - seems to be a stronger position.

Whether it's a result of muscle imbalance (adductor vs quad strength) or rather a question of biomechanical advantage - I'm not sure.

One volleyball coach recently told me that that's how they teach ... hm what's that called...when you throw the ball up take a step and hit?

Not sure about this technique and knee health. I don't teach that to anybody and experiment only with myself.

Craig Snyder 03-27-2008 08:19 PM

When I look at that movement, I see a hip ER/ABductor weakness or dyskinesis. I think something like that should be untrained, like the posterior tilt in a deep squat.

But like I said, I am far from experienced and as I learn more about oly lifting and training I will probably change my view points many times, as they have already since beginning following Greg's program and making gains.

Craig


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