All of my O-lifts - Form Check
I have been working on my form and doing SS for about a month now. I was posting my form on x-fit boards but Steve Low suggested that I post them up here. I am kind of seeing why :D
Here is a link to a vid with pretty much all my major lifts (with just a little ring work at the end..)
I know there are problems with the snatch work in the Burg WU (arms too straight.
I know there are minor problems with the squat. I have been told I am leaning forward too much. I just feel that if I lean back more, or stay more upright, there is some weight transferring onto the arms, but i could be wrong.
I feel that my OH Press is pretty solid (with some minor hand positioning problems with light weight since I can get away with it).
I feel that my DL is pretty solid too. Maybe only some minor problems where my hips rise a bit before the weight moves.
I know there are technical problems with the cleans. This video shows warmup weights since i was doing this as part of some technique work, not going heavy. My current PR is 150, though I can probably physically pull more if I ignore form (which I am not trying to do). I feel that my form is good, overall, but there are definitely some technique issues that I am hoping some people here can ID for me.
I would appreciate any advice on any problems, if possible. I thank any contributors in advance :)
Looks like you're losing back extension in the squat. Weightlifting shoes, or sliding a plate under each foot might help.
Avoid hyper-extending the neck while squatting, keep a straight line from the top of the head to the hips. Don't look in the mirror, look down into the corner.
Flex the wrists, or at least keep them neutral while keeping the bar racked in the groove. They're hyper-extending right now. Try a narrower grip, which will help tighten your upper back a bit more.
Knees look like they're moving around at the bottom, keep them out to the side. Be sure to go over how the low bar back squat feels at the bottom sans bar.
Try a slightly wider stance, and turn your toes out a little more than you think you should. Are those squishy soled shoes?
Find your "bounce."
Tighten your lower body before pressing, avoid push pressing.
Deadlifts and power cleans: stance and grip looks real narrow.
For setup purposes
1. Place bar over midfoot, most likely where your shoe laces are
2. Bend at hips, and get your grip set
3. Push shins into bar, without moving bar out of position
4. Big breath, and lift the chest
5. Pick up weight
Get shoes that allow for more efficient force transfer. Running shoes aren't good for that.
Hey thanks for the tips.
As for the shoes, I usually lift barefoot. For some reason, on that day, I forgot to take off my shoes :) But the form looks pretty similar on those days as well.
Appeciate the tips. All seem to be sound - but relatively minor and could be fixed with some cueing. The power lifts are where I am concerned the most.
I'm not going to comment on the squat and DL because Rippetoe and I do things differently there and you're doing his thing, so keep doing it.
1. Slow down. Don't rush through your reps. You're wasting your time if you're not getting yourself set correctly each rep.
2. Down & Up - Relax your arms. Let the weight of the bar extend them, not your triceps. And keep pulling the bar into your body with your lats - don't let it swing forward. Most importantly - EXPLODE - your heels barely come off the platform - don't intentionally try to extend your ankles, but you're cutting off your leg drive to shrug and it's keeping you from getting enough gas on the bar. Do the first rep as an actual jump; then chill out just enough to not come off the floor (with the toes) more than a 1/4 inch or so.
3. High & Outside - don't lift the bar; lift your elbows. The bar is starting to curl up to the height of your elbows, when they should be well above it. Think of a scarecrow.
4. Muscle snatch - MOvement is pretty good, but see explode thing in #2. Also, hold it at the top for a couple seconds - how can you tell if your overhead position is any good if the second the bar gets there you drop it? (and it's out front - you need to get your shoulder blades back and up and lean the torso forward slightly).
5. Snatch drop - the point of this drill is to DROP - not kick your heels up like a Toyota commercial. Pull the feet off teh floor and move them to the receiving position as quickly as possible, landing in a quarter squat and staying there for a moment. DO NOT LIFT THE FEET any more than is necessary to move them laterally.
1. Your grip is WAY to narrow. Give yourself AT LEAST half a hand width between the outside of your shoulder and your thumb. You're so narrow it's forcing your knees in toward each other. Get the grip out and flare the knees to the sides as much as you can without bending your arms.
2. Sorry, Chris, but DON'T put the bar over your mid-foot and set up like that. As I said, if you want to DL like that, fine, but a clean is not a DL. The bar will be over the base of your toes and your arms vertical in the start.
3. Your pull is actually pretty good. Work on changing directions at the top faster and not picking your feet up so much. Remember, the feet only move out, not up.
I'm a little curious now - why the different starting positions for the DL and clean?
I take it that with the bar closer to the toes and arms vertical, you'd wind up with a slightly more erect torso/lower hips going into the 2nd pull than if you were to start with a Rippetoe style DL. Does this just make for a better position going into the 2nd pull, or am I missing something entirely?
That's exactly it - more upright torso. This is important for a few reasons, including that it will allow a better acceleration in the 2nd, and that it will reduce the work for the lower back, which is the most easily fatigued part in the chain; less fatigue in the 1st means better maintenance of extension during the second, which means better power transfer to the bar. You also get better balance on the foot, etc. That's the short version.
Thanks so much.
I never learned so much about my power/technique lifts in only 1 post before.
But I do have some questions/comments based on your advice... I hope you don't mind as I am always trying to learn as much as I can.
You don't necessarily need to explain here or link me, just let me know where I can find info on your approach if you can :)
I'll try your technique.
Once again, I really appreciate everyone's help and input!
Rip wants to set up with scap spines over bar, whereas i want to break from the floor as upright as possible. With my setup (and I shouldn't call it mine, it's used by essentially every high-level competitive weightlifter out there), the back angle will shift slightly by the time the bar lifts about 2-3 inches, but it will still remain considerably more upright. I approach the DL more as an assistance exercise for the snatch and clean, and accordingly, I want it to use the same positions, whereas Rip uses it more as simply a tool to get generally strong. As far as why on the cln/sn start position, see my response to jacob.
Same goes for the back squat - he uses the low-bar even for Oly lifters. For most athletes, I agree that low-bar is good, at least some of the time, but for Oly, I use high bar. Complete article about why in the store somewhere, and you can read his argument in the CFJ from the same month.
When I said Sorry Chris, I actually meant the other Chris who made the mid-foot suggestion - I didn't notice you two had the same name.
Judging from the limited view of the gym in that video, I'd suggest ignoring any advice you get there regarding weightlifting.
Thanks for the responses Greg. Replies below.
Then I may consider switching over to the fast lift method (at least thats what I'll call it).
I feel like I may be leaning forward too much so its something I am always consciously trying to correct.
Every time i post a video of my cleans on youtube, this guy sends me messages about how my cleans suck. This is pretty funny since you said my second pull is good.....
He is just a grifeer but here is what he sent me last time:
Having the bar start over the mid-foot during the snatch and clean has worked extremely well for me. I also widened my stance and turned the toes out some, as suggested by Rip, and I've seen great results from doing so.
My coach has everyone else pull from the floor as you suggest, but has told me that "Rip's method" works great for me. My numbers are going up, so I'll keep using it.
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