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David Tieu 10-02-2008 09:31 PM

recovery in the clean
 
having a serious problem on the c&j's
i have been blacking out during the recovery in the clean relatively frequently as of recent. been keeping me from putting up max weights.
i do not believe it's a problem of the bar crashing down on me- no one has observed it happen. what else could be the problem? my breathing technique?
i will post a video here when i get a chance, if that is helpful

James Withington 10-03-2008 08:21 AM

Whereabouts in the recovery do you blackout?

The intra-abdominal pressure caused from the Valsalva maneuver in heavy lifting can temporarily restrict blood flow to the brain. Try letting out a little of your breath near the top on the way up to relieve the pressure slightly. Obviously don't let out a large amount of air as you still need plenty of pressure in there, just let a little bit of air exhale while maintaining pressure.

Xuan Mai Ho 10-03-2008 10:02 AM

David,

I posted a similiar question here:
http://www.performancemenu.com/forum...1966#post31966

Scroll down and take a look at Greg's advice.

Arden Cogar Jr. 10-03-2008 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James Withington (Post 40095)
Whereabouts in the recovery do you blackout?

The intra-abdominal pressure caused from the Valsalva maneuver in heavy lifting can temporarily restrict blood flow to the brain. Try letting out a little of your breath near the top on the way up to relieve the pressure slightly. Obviously don't let out a large amount of air as you still need plenty of pressure in there, just let a little bit of air exhale while maintaining pressure.


I would say this is the answer.

I stimulated the valsava nerve, or whatever it is, when a fish oil pill sorta got stuck, or felt like it got stuck. I went down like a tree in the middle of our kitchen. Scared my wife and eldest daughter to death. Ended up with a nice concussion too.

Serious stuff that needs corrected if it can be done. There's a video of a young lifter doing a clean at a comp who once he recieves the weight and stands up with, simply falls over backward unconscious.

Good luck. I wish you the best in dealing with this as it's no easy issue.

All the best,
ARden

Yuen Sohn 10-03-2008 02:10 PM

What everyone else said.

Plus if you haven't done so in a while, I'd also suggest a doctor's visit to rule anything else out. Just to be safe.

Finally, get to LBH more often. We need more over bodyweight snatchers who lift in super stylin' dress shoes.

David Tieu 10-03-2008 07:51 PM

hmmm. i breathe out during the entire recovery till the point where i have no breath left at the top. i guess that's the problem. somebody tell me elsewise

Greg Everett 10-03-2008 08:15 PM

Blackout is from carotid pressure, not lack of air.

Lift your shoulders in the rack position as well as pushing them forward, and flatten your c-spine to pull your neck back away from the bar.


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