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Nick Hunter 07-30-2009 06:49 AM

Hey/ Finding a Form
Hello all,

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I was referred over here from the Sherdog S&P forums when I had some questions I couldn't find answers to over there. I've been looking around while my account was activated and am excited to haunt/post here. I haven't been here long enough to have seen all the topics yet, so I apologize if I'm asking about stuff that's been covered.

Anyway, I had the opportunity to train under a Commonwealth Games level coach for about four months while living abroad recently. I've always had difficulty squatting, deadlifting, cleaning, and snatching, but ground it out with weird form. Under him I got up to about a 105kg power clean before progress got real difficult.

My coach told me I was very long through the thigh and may always have difficulty, but would need to work heavily on ankle flexibility to allow the knees to move forward more. Just my luck, I have about 10 degrees of dorsiflexion from a straight leg. Very poor. I've dogged this issue, too, but found when I approach the limits of this flexibility I can get an intense "pinching" sensation in the front of the ankle after either stretching or running. Oly shoes help somewhat while lifting.

Sorry for all the background, my main questions are these:

1) Are there known and practiced accommodations in form, or examples of form/grip used by known lifters with longer femur:tibia/torso ratios I could use in order to get a fluid form to develop power with? For example: I've noticed the sumo deadlift fits my body perfectly, while in the conventional style my hips are sky high.

2) Can extremely tight soleus/achilles cause a pinching in the front of the ankle due to a change in how the joint moves?

Thanks very much for any insight,

Garrett Smith 07-30-2009 07:02 AM

1) Yes. Sumo may work better for your limb/torso lengths, that isn't abnormal.

2) Probably not. I'd suggest you look into a good chiro or PT that does "joint manipulation" and get that ankle worked on. The pinching you're feeling is likely due to an incorrect joint alignment that may require outside "help" to fix. You might also try the JumpStretch band flexibility routine for the ankles, as well as the foot drills.

Nick Hunter 07-30-2009 07:08 AM

Hi Garrett,

Thank you for the quick response and the resources.

1) Are you referring to cleaning sumo as well?

2) Incorrect joint alignment such as pronated ankles/ external foot rotation?


Garrett Smith 07-30-2009 07:25 AM

1) No, I'm only referring to the DL. For OL, you'll likely need to look for a coach and/or experiment with different set-ups (standard, frog stance, etc.).

2) Incorrect alignment most likely between the tibia/fibula/talus. This is the major joint in the dorsiflexion movement that you are restricted in.

Nick Hunter 07-30-2009 07:34 AM

Re: coach: Got it. Do you know any decently-accomplished lifters I could watch video of who have longer legs?

Re: ankles: thanks again.

Garrett Smith 07-30-2009 08:16 AM

I don't know of any lifters to watch with that build. You might post a new thread here asking that question, maybe also at the forum at goheavy.com .

Ian Gallimore 07-30-2009 10:33 AM

Have a look at Szymon Kolecki - long legs, long arms, short torso.

Nick Hunter 07-30-2009 12:55 PM

He is very interesting! He looks like he is going to tear his LCL every time he lifts, as his knees seem to push outward while his feet remain straight ahead.

John Alston 07-30-2009 04:29 PM

Kolecki is one of my favorite lifters. He got jobbed in Beijing.

Ian Gallimore 07-31-2009 09:15 AM


Originally Posted by John Alston (Post 60810)
Kolecki is one of my favorite lifters. He got jobbed in Beijing.

I'm glad someone else thinks so. Ilin's 2nd snatch should have had about 15 reds. Not locked out, not under control, dumped before the down signal because his elbow was about to dislocate due to the aforementioned.

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