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Matt Cricchio 10-26-2009 10:26 AM

Make Meat Eaters Pay
 
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2009/10/25/2009-10-25_make_meateaters_pay_ethicist_proposes_radical_t ax_says_theyre_killing_themselves.html

"First, eating red meat is likely to kill you. Large studies have shown that the daily consumption of red meat increases the risk that you will die prematurely of heart disease or bowel cancer. This is now beyond serious scientific dispute."



Discuss.

Steven Low 10-26-2009 11:23 AM

lol, there's nothing to discuss. It's just flat out wrong.

I think Michael Eades had some good posts on red meat and cancer on his blog. Here ya go:

http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/c...-and-red-meat/
http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/b...-colon-cancer/
http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/f...and-mortality/
http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/u...reatic-cancer/

Allen Yeh 10-26-2009 11:54 AM

Addressing some of the points in the article:

Quote:

First, eating red meat is likely to kill you. Large studies have shown that the daily consumption of red meat increases the risk that you will die prematurely of heart disease or bowel cancer. This is now beyond serious scientific dispute. When the beef industry tries to deny the evidence, it is just repeating what the tobacco industry did 30 years ago.
Beyond scientific dispute? Really? Ok eating the type of red meat that is churned out in a normal meat facoty maybe not the greatest for you but this type of statement smacks of ignorance.

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Second, we have laws that ban cruelty to animals. Unfortunately in the states in which most animals are raised for meat, the agribusiness lobby is so powerful that it has carved out exemptions to the usual laws against cruelty.
I can't say that I disagree with this point here. I do find the way the "mass meat" industry does things somewhat nasty.

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Third, industrial meat production wastes food – we feed the animals vast quantities of grains and soybeans, and they burn up most of the nutritional value of these crops just living and breathing and developing bones and other unpalatable body parts. We get back only a fraction of the food value we put into them.
Ok so this point is once again aimed at the "mass meat" market, the solution here would be to stop feeding them this crap and move back to grass and the such.

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Fourth, agricultural runoff — much of it from livestock production, or from the fertilizers used to grow the grain fed to the livestock — is the biggest single source of pollution of the nation’s rivers and streams, according to the EPA. A meat tax would be an important step towards cleaner rivers. By reducing the amount of nitrogen that runs off fields in the Midwest into the Mississippi, it would also stop the vast ?dead zone? that forms in the Gulf of Mexico each year.
I really have no clue about this one here.

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Meat-eaters impose costs on others, and the more meat they eat, the greater the costs.

They push up our health insurance premiums, increase Medicare and Medicaid costs for taxpayers, pollute our rivers, threaten the survival of fishing communities in the Gulf of Mexico, push up food prices for the world’s poor, and accelerate climate change.
Wow.

Matt Cricchio 10-26-2009 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steven Low (Post 64498)
lol, there's nothing to discuss. It's just flat out wrong.

Oh there are some things to discuss: the weird nexus of primal/paleo/whatever people and militant veganism when it comes to sustainable agriculture practices, sesonal eating, and the general badness of big Agra.

Steven Low 10-26-2009 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Cricchio (Post 64503)
Oh there are some things to discuss: the weird nexus of primal/paleo/whatever people and militant veganism when it comes to sustainable agriculture practices, sesonal eating, and the general badness of big Agra.

Well, no one said everything was right in the world. -_-

Paul Epstein 10-26-2009 05:35 PM

some of the comments posted after the article are hilarious

i fear this kind of militant vegetarianism, meat eaters outcast, omnivore refugees applying for entry into france etc

Paul Epstein 10-26-2009 05:40 PM

i wonder why the article doesnt mention the damage that government subsidised mono culture farms do to the environment or the economy.

citing bad (meat) farming practices as a reason to discourage all (meat) farming practices is absurd.

Greg Battaglia 10-26-2009 05:56 PM

I think we should start taxing people for be dumb. This guy would be heavily taxed.

Mike ODonnell 10-27-2009 09:26 AM

I have a personal policy....try to not argue with venting idiots....seeing the author of the article is one, nothing really left to say.....

It's really sad that some people think vegetarians are the healthiest people on earth...and give no thought into other variables when it comes to meat such as processed vs natural and other nutritional lifestyle factors....as most people eating burgers also get fries and a coke.....which apparently is the same as a bison steak and salad.

Daniel Mays 10-27-2009 10:45 AM

I have a solution!!! Pistols seem to be abundant in this country and bullets are not that expensive. You can send in 3-5 angry 22 year olds and they can shoot ALL the cows need that day rather than sending them to the processing plant. With a glock they won't even have to aim. Then we can hire manual labor to hoist the cows into a cart and trolly them back to the all natural butchers. We'll call it ULTRA Cross-Fit. Heck, most Crossfitters would probably do it for free to take hardcore fitness to the next level.

I just solved the economic crisis AND animal cruelty in one post!!!

Danny Mays


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