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Chad Lammert 05-17-2013 02:17 PM

Percentages vs Going Heavy
I have an opinion question for you guys. What are your thoughts regarding using your programming, but instead of going by the percents, taking the lift or complex to as heavy as you can manage for the day with your prescribed reps and sets?

This has been my approach for the last few weeks, and now I'm curious about your thoughts. I've seen a lot of gains, but that could be simply attributed to greater exposure to different movements (and constant exposure to the squats). Some days my lifts will go beyond what is prescribed, and I'm surprised by how much I'm actually able to manage. Some days, its the exact opposite, and I'm smoked. But in general, the trend keeps going upward, and I keep grinding it out.

So I'm sure you've been asked about this approach already, but I'm curious to know what the benefits are of doing what I'm doing here, vs. what the program says, and I'm also curious about what I might be missing by not following the program to a "T."

Also, if I haven't been clear, here's an example of what I'm talking about:

If the Program said Back Squat - 60%x3, 70%x3, 80% x 3 x 3, I would work up to my heaviest set of 3 for the back squat and then try and do that same weight two more times for a total of 3 sets of 3 at my heaviest weight that day. This same philosophy would be applied to the rest of the lifts for the day.

What do you think? Thanks guys.

Greg Everett 05-18-2013 10:19 AM

Both approaches have a time and place. In either case, you need to have a clear long term plan, though, for example to peak at the proper time for a meet.

You also need to be careful because it's easy to go heavy every day for a week, two weeks, and sometimes several weeks while feeling invincible... and then suddenly be so destroyed you train like shit for 2 months. I realize the fashionable thing for internet weightlifting right now is pretending that there's no such thing as overtraining, but it happens and often it sets you back quite far, especially if you start collecting pains and injuries that you can't get rid of.

That being said, you can certainly try it. There are programs on this site that are essentially all daily max training - it can work well if it's done properly, and that requires you or a coach monitoring your training wisely and making adjustments as needed to keep you actually progressing rather than just beating yourself to death.

Michael Young 05-21-2013 08:59 AM

Timely question Chad, I’ve had similar concerns lately. Training for me has gone something like this, classic lifts: warm up, sets of doubles & triples at about 70-80%, work up to a heavy 1RM, then a few sets singles, doubles, or triples at about 70% of that, then Squats up to a heavy 1RM, back off to 70% of that and work up to a heavy 3RM, then 50% @ 5X2. What usually happens when getting up to a heavy 1RM on the classics is a shit-ton of misses probably due to a breakdown of technique. Not to mention a tougher recovery.

Another possible byproduct of going heavy everyday (for me), is I have come nowhere near a PR. A heavy 1RM is about 80% of my PR, then it just falls apart.

Probably the biggest reason for not doing percentages as prescribed is my pride and buying in to the internet hype that Greg mentioned, “no such thing as overtraining”.

This article http://www.allthingsgym.com/mikhail-...flamed-elbows/ has got me rethinking things though. I have a meet on June 1. I think after that I'll be picking a program from the CA Book of Programs and stick with it. Damn the pride.

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