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Zach Arn 01-10-2014 06:00 AM

Shoulder Internal Rotation
 
After reading a few articles on the Chinese and Russian lifters/coaches it seems they are using an internally rotated shoulder with elbows back for over head positions Snatch and Jerk. Is this position similar the position that Greg suggestions in "Olympic Weightlifting" or is it more dramatic? Does anybody have any experience with their style? Can an internally rotated shoulders elbows back position be dangerous?

I was taught armpits forward and elbows down.

Here are the articles with mention of this style:

http://www.allthingsgym.com/larrys-c...atches-squats/

http://www.allthingsgym.com/larrys-c...n-jerks-pulls/

http://www.allthingsgym.com/klokov-i...ting-seminars/ One of the reviewers quickly mentions it here.

Greg Everett 01-10-2014 04:19 PM

I didn't read the articles so hopefully my answer is still helpful.

I teach elbows about halfway between down and back - where exactly will vary a bit on a lifter's anatomy. This is allows the proper/ideal scapular position to create a stable base, allows a good hand/wrist position, doesn't place the shoulder joint into any problematic position, and helps the elbow joint support the weight well.

Having straight down or straight back is problematic each for its own reasons. My guess is that if anyone is actually saying straight back, it's a translation problem or miscommunication/misunderstanding.

Zach Arn 01-11-2014 12:35 PM

Thanks Greg. It is definitely helpful. I was just wondering if anybody has heard this before.

After looking through photos and video of Chinese lifters I don't see any crazy internal shoulder rotation. The lifters being coached may have had an extreme external rotation which the coach used "internally rotate" or "elbows back" to help them into better shoulder position.


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