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Old 11-12-2007, 12:35 PM   #21
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yael,

yeah, it's super important. WFR is actually part of the core curriculum for my major....lucky me : )
David, last December I spent a week in Red Rock with Matt Erpelding, a professional guide with American Alpine Institute out of Washington.

When he's not guiding, he teaches the WFR courses around the country.

Since you're a climber and at some point taking the WFR, his email is:

materp@experientialadventures.com

Very cool guy, great climber.

Just thought this might interest you.
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Old 11-12-2007, 03:47 PM   #22
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This thread reminds me of a post I saw on in an IF thread on Dave Draper's forum:

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I was once in a village deep inside India where there was no electricity or running water, no telephone lines, and not much transport options. The life was simple – get up with the sun, eat a simple break fast, tend to the fields, tend the cattle, shower, lunch, do nothing much till the end of the day, dinner and sleep a little after sunset. All this food would be about two meals of what I would eat in a day here, and the work is about same effort as I put for my training and other sundries, but the body and mental load is 1/10 of what I have usually.

The first two days, I was frigging lost, finicky, worried and fidgeting – just because I didn’t have anything to keep myself busy than meet people; no work, no mental garbage, no phones, no emails. By day three I was relieved, relaxed and became calm. I tasted a little serenity and internal calm. I noticed the people unhurried, unworried, unbothered. Those guys are hearty and healthy, I lost five pounds in a week. This brings me to the effects of our modern living; its plate full.

This also looks the effect of mental tranquility in effecting the important blood serum factors. Have anyone noticed the medical bills of the explosive personalities? I have seen some, they are mainly blood pressure, diabetes, elevated heart rate, high lipids, immune problems, etc.

Have anyone thought about the effects of the rock, jazz and pop in everything? Am I going off tangent here?

Not exactly, as these things have also been studied, and the internal responses aren’t very tranquil.

Health may be effected by taking care of the basics first and getting down to the nitty gritty later, but good health is cellular in nature.

Live life to the fullest – physically, mentally, spiritually…

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Old 11-12-2007, 04:08 PM   #23
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I think I'll change my major to something with the environment, that doesn't require much to pass my classes, so I can enjoy life a little more.
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Old 11-12-2007, 06:02 PM   #24
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Am I missing something here or do I need to increase my Soy intake. Obviously my Estrogen levels must be way low....................
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Old 11-12-2007, 06:22 PM   #25
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Well here I have my mom having me talking to strangers about how I'll make it through. And I have you guys telling me to take the "easy" or at least, more fun, way.

Alicia, I remember reading an article, though I can't remember the author or the title of the article, but it was a college graduate journalist writing about how he went to visit a Swiss village for a week or a month and how he observed how they lived a simple life. They woke up at sunrise and went to bed at sunset, and they didn't do much. He concluded just that, that they did not accomplish much. They just existed.

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Should I trust you guys or trust my mom, whom I've known my whole life? Mostly everyone around me appreciates material items and money. They eat junk and have poor health. They stress out and handle it by "partying." I don't get drunk or smoke or do drugs, and it suits me. Whatever suits you I guess. I would like to do things that I cannot because it is not viewed as good, and I guess if you care what others think, then do what they want you to do.

I'm trying to listen to my mom when she tells me to hang in there and get my civil engineering degree. But she is biased. Perhaps you guys are biased, because you care more about your health than job positions. Maybe even most of you guys did not go to college. Who knows. Generally, I don't care what she thinks, because fortunately, I have a life, and I can chose what I do with it.

I don't know who to trust, honestly. If I drop out of college, which I don't plan on doing, I would lose the 32 hours I have earned so far that would probably count towards any major. And if I stay, I will probably either continue with civil engineering or switch to environmental studies. Either way, my mom said any major is going to entail a lot of stress and that is what college is about.
Hang in there and finish your degree.

A degree is pretty common now and your mom probably wants you to be able to take care of yourself and to support yourself in future. If you want to have an easier life, you can do that after graduating, knowing that you have at least something to use if you suddenly need more money.

Almost every pathway in life involves some stress. The question whether you are able to manage the stress or not.

Having a simple life doesn't mean you have to drop everything and move to a mountainside to become a hermit (extreme example). It can mean going to college and socialising, but choosing your friends wisely and cutting out all the useless stuff like partying out late and getting drunk.

What are your priorities in life?
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Old 11-12-2007, 06:39 PM   #26
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Heidi, I don't think you should listen to us. What we are expressing is purely our own opinions on life, and what we would personally prefer. Don't drop out of school because of this. On the other hand, don't listen to your mom, or anyone else either. Be an individual, use your own mind and follow your heart. You have to ask yourself "What do I want out of life?" because you only live it once. A lot of people spend so much time planning and looking forward to what they are going to do with life that they never end up doing anything at all. I may be wrong, I've never met your mom, but the chances are she wants you to get a prestigious degree because it reflects well on her. It shows, in our society at least, that you're hard working, sophisticated, and intelligent. No parent wants their child to drop out of school, because they fear how that decision will reflect on them negatively. It's all social. A lot of that occurs with materialism as well. People want money and objects simply to show others how "good" they are. You're mom also wants to see you happy. Unfortunately, she has a twisted perspective on what happiness is, and like most people in our society, believes that it lies in materialism. I'm not personally criticizing your mom, my parents are the same way. Our culture has been trained this way, essentially brain washed. Television, Radio, billboards, ads in stores, etc combined with social ideals perpetuate this line of thought. It's important to decide what YOU want. You must follow your heart. This is key. If following your heart means working your ass off and getting a Ph D in a field that you're absolutely passionate about, then by all means, you should do this. If it means just getting a degree in environmental science or ecology and making what you wish of that, then do that. You need to prioritize. But whatever you do, do not follow a certain path just because other people want you to. It's your life, remember that. It may be that you really do like engineering, and your contemplating dropping out because they going is getting tough and you're feeling discouraged. If that's the case, then do not drop out. Work hard and get the degree you want. Based on your post, it seems quite clear that you don't care at all about engineering. If you really love the environment, and you would like a career in that field, then choose that path. You seem passionate about it. I feel the same way. It kills me to know that the environment is being destroyed because of a bunch of jackasses. I heard about this guy the other day that had a mansion with all sorts of fountains and fancy BS on his lawn. His house used 400,000 gallons of water/ month! The average household uses only 100,00 gallon/ YEAR. What a waste. Completely unnecessary. All because this bozo wanted to make up for his insecurities by showing every one "great" he is that he can afford such "luxuries". Follow your heart, honestly. Block out everyone else's opinions and truly ask yourself what you desire from life. Then make a decision.
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Old 11-12-2007, 07:37 PM   #27
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I thought I checked this site regularly, but, this thread is growing fast and furious.

I am not too sure what's attracted me to express myself here, because the information has been put forth very articulately in numerous places.

Here goes:
Wake up every day and decide to enjoy life.
Surround yourself with people who do the same.
No one knows for sure how it is they will achieve the goals they are after....but make sure those goals exist, and you KNOW you will get there.
Yes, like it or not, people will influence you in life; friends, family, strangers, events. Make them influence you in a positive way. This sounds funny, but, it's all in perception...... Your mom, she is influencing you to finish school and get said degree. You can look at that and say, it's stressful to live up to her standards. Or, you can say, my mom knows I can do this, I should know I can do it too.

Stress is such a funny one. But it's everything. Only you create it, only you can influence it.

What was mentioned earlier about grades, the importance of them, and how some people can study less and get a better GPA is all related to stress. Staying up, studying too much, will leave the brain tired and inefficient. One that studied ahead of time, didn't lose sleep leading up to a test, and didn't cram all the information near the end in hopes of a good grade, is more likely to get a better result.

I think there is good value of expressing your thoughts when it comes to making decisions. So many people don't have the networks to stimulate and challenge themselves to achieve what they are capable of.

Lastly....school and what it is IMO. It's about "learning" how to deal with stress. Life, is full of it, and learning how to overcome stressful situations, without "killing" yourself is the real value in school. The tools you develop to successfully complete what you started by going to college, are the tools that can make for a happy and fulfilling existence.

Oops, one more lastly, I don't think I read anywhere in this thread someone expressing their opinion that you should drop out of school.

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Old 11-12-2007, 07:54 PM   #28
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Heidi,
Get the degree, You won't regret. It will open up a world of possibilities that will afford you the luxury and flexiblity to pursue other passions in life and most importantly your true calling in life. It is the balance between the starving artist (who loves what they do but struggles to make ends meet) and the wealthy investment banker (who makes tons of money but has a miserable personal life). What I mean is the degree will likely afford you a certain standard of living while you discover what it is that you really want to for the rest of your life (very few people really know what that is either especially majority of college students).

But above all - make sure to get your money's worth and not just labor over grades. Network like crazy (might be worth more than the degree later down the road), study abroad, take classes outside your major, socialize as much as possible and just ENJOY your time there as much as you can (of course that doesn't have to mean alcohol and partying!). As the saying goes, experience is the true spice of life.
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Old 11-12-2007, 08:10 PM   #29
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I thought I checked this site regularly, but, this thread is growing fast and furious.

I am not too sure what's attracted me to express myself here, because the information has been put forth very articulately in numerous places.

Here goes:
Wake up every day and decide to enjoy life.
Surround yourself with people who do the same.
No one knows for sure how it is they will achieve the goals they are after....but make sure those goals exist, and you KNOW you will get there.
Yes, like it or not, people will influence you in life; friends, family, strangers, events. Make them influence you in a positive way. This sounds funny, but, it's all in perception...... Your mom, she is influencing you to finish school and get said degree. You can look at that and say, it's stressful to live up to her standards. Or, you can say, my mom knows I can do this, I should know I can do it too.

Stress is such a funny one. But it's everything. Only you create it, only you can influence it.

What was mentioned earlier about grades, the importance of them, and how some people can study less and get a better GPA is all related to stress. Staying up, studying too much, will leave the brain tired and inefficient. One that studied ahead of time, didn't lose sleep leading up to a test, and didn't cram all the information near the end in hopes of a good grade, is more likely to get a better result.

Like I said, I'm drawn to this thread like looking at debris leftover from an accident on the side of a highway. I think the reason is the value of expressing your thoughts when it comes to making decisions. So many people don't have the networks to stimulate and challenge themselves to achieve what they are capable of.

Lastly....school and what it is IMO. It's about "learning" how to deal with stress. Life, is full of it, and learning how to overcome stressful situations, without "killing" yourself is the real value in school. The tools you develop to successfully complete what you started by going to college, are the tools that can make for a happy and fulfilling existence.

Oops, one more lastly, I don't think I read anywhere in this thread someone expressing their opinion that you should drop out of school.
Jordan - Very,very well said!

I will especially second what Jordan says about school teaching you how to deal with the life that comes after school. My degrees (B.S. and M.S.) are invaluable not so much that I use what I learned in classes every day, but I DO use the perseverance and pride that I learned through completing my degrees.
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Jordan - Very,very well said!

I will especially second what Jordan says about school teaching you how to deal with the life that comes after school. My degrees (B.S. and M.S.) are invaluable not so much that I use what I learned in classes every day, but I DO use the perseverance and pride that I learned through completing my degrees.
Thank you allison!

One last thing about stress, influences and perception.
Today I was driving to a client's house for a training session, and during the trip a car merges into my lane at a snails pace. The result is I will now be stuck behind this slow moving vehicle for the next 10 kms. So here it is. How did I perceive this event. First thought was aggresive.....I think what an idiot, now I'll be crawling along for the next 10 minutes. Stressful outcome, because now I am up this cars arse, hoping that he/she will at least go the speed limit for the next 10 minutes. Second reaction, relieved, ahh, now I don't have to worry about getting a speeding ticket, I'll drive nice and slow, and save the environment a little by not flooring my vehicle up every hill.

There is no difference in the event, only how I perceived it. Sure, it was a very trivial part of my day, as is waiting in line at the grocery store......or the bank, or the library.....but it could have been a more concerning issue, like 2 last minute client cancellations in a row, or finding out that the space I am hoping to lease for my business didn't accept my offer.
In all of the events that happened to me today, (which are all true BTW) none of it stressed me out, or drained me mentally. I am proud to say this, I am happy that I know how to perceive things positively and not negatively. To see the challenge and opportunity behind the dips and valleys in life. I learned these skills in school, in growing up, and not by grades and what my GPA is. But, being in school was a great forum for me to develop these skills, make mistakes, and be able to pick up the pieces and learn from them.

I am posting this because there was a lot of concern toward how school and life can be very stressful. And yes, they sure are. But, so much of it is one's own perception. How you react to them is how you will carve your path in life. Sure, school can seem like a path to nowhere, or the wrong path, but it truly is a journey. Making mistakes in school are a lot easier to overcome then the mistakes made in the real world. Embrace what school has to offer, don't dwell on it's imperfections.

there, that's my 4 cents!
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