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Old 12-26-2007, 10:16 AM   #11
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The thumb is C6 I believe.

It is possible to try to open up more space (cervical traction.. manual or machine) or eliminate swelling if it's there. Although since it only occurs when you DL, it's probably that you need to keep the head neutral most like most have been saying.
Well, it'd be hard to open up more space since she has had previous plate and screw fixation at that level

One other possibility to throw into your differential is evaluating the scalene muscles. They refer pain down the thumb side of the arm/hand, and attach to your area of previous surgery, so may be scarred over. I guess a good question would be whether you had anterior or posterior entry into the neck.
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Old 12-26-2007, 11:19 AM   #12
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Susie,
I'm all for helping you find ways that you can continue to DL without causing more pain/damage. No need to give up quite yet, far from it! If you'd like some suggestions on modalities/practitioners, just let me know, in public or PM.

And yes, the scalenes could absolutely be involved, as William said.
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Old 12-26-2007, 02:25 PM   #13
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Well, it'd be hard to open up more space since she has had previous plate and screw fixation at that level

One other possibility to throw into your differential is evaluating the scalene muscles. They refer pain down the thumb side of the arm/hand, and attach to your area of previous surgery, so may be scarred over. I guess a good question would be whether you had anterior or posterior entry into the neck.
Anterior.....(she said, hopefully)....

I'll be sure to come back after my next encounter with DLs and let ya'll know if head positioning takes care of it, or where the shock travels if I get it again.

I really appreciate the suggestions.

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Old 12-26-2007, 04:54 PM   #14
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I'd say that an anterior fusion surgery keeps hope alive that it's the scalene's vs bony encroachment. The anterior approach really does spare the structure of the neck itself when you compare it to the posterior surgeries. Either way, posture during heavy lifting, and all ADL's for that matter, is super critical. You mentioned loss of cervical extension ROM. For sure most of that is from the dbl fusion, but there's a chance that a nice 10-25% chunk of ROM is still available from a functional POV. Just have to find a qualified practitioner of worthy technique(s).
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Old 12-26-2007, 08:07 PM   #15
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Susie,
I'm all for helping you find ways that you can continue to DL without causing more pain/damage. No need to give up quite yet, far from it! If you'd like some suggestions on modalities/practitioners, just let me know, in public or PM.

And yes, the scalenes could absolutely be involved, as William said.
There's no Zhealth practitioners anywhere near me.....but before you knock yourself out making recommendations, let me come back after being more careful with my head and neck position and see what happens...

I'm going to lift light and pay attention and see if I can lift without neuro symptoms....

Dayum.

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Old 01-02-2008, 07:02 PM   #16
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Well, I deadlifted light today (up to 135 lbs.) and was supercareful about my head position and form, and I didn't get the electric shock sensations. That's the good news.

I did, however, feel very tentative at 135 lbs. (which is not heavy for me) because I felt....sort of unstable....in my neck. It's hard to describe, it's a sensation that something isn't right.

I'm just going to be very careful and tentative about lifting heavy. I had my trainer with me cueing me on form, so I felt safe, and we both agreed to stop at 5 reps at 135 for today.

But no L'Hermitte today! Yay!

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Old 01-02-2008, 07:12 PM   #17
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Well, I deadlifted light today (up to 135 lbs.) and was supercareful about my head position and form, and I didn't get the electric shock sensations. That's the good news.

I did, however, feel very tentative at 135 lbs. (which is not heavy for me) because I felt....sort of unstable....in my neck. It's hard to describe, it's a sensation that something isn't right.

I'm just going to be very careful and tentative about lifting heavy. I had my trainer with me cueing me on form, so I felt safe, and we both agreed to stop at 5 reps at 135 for today.

But no L'Hermitte today! Yay!

Susie
Sounds like change in the right direction but hey you're the doc!
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Old 01-04-2008, 02:10 PM   #18
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Well, today was pretty disconcerting.

I did well with squats, no neuro symptoms, but DLing was another story.

I did ok up until 135 lbs., which just wasn't heavy at all, but man did I have scary symptoms. I got intense electric shock sensations in both upper and lower extremities bilaterally, and then I had a few minutes of residual motor clumsiness and numbness in my left thumb, index and middle fingers.

Clearly, something is amiss in a big way.

I know there are worse things if it means that I can't lift heavy, or can't do deadlifts at all....I know I should go back to my neurosurgeon and update my MRI....but it stinks because I know he's going to tell me not to lift weights in any serious way, and that bums me out big time. I'm also worried about the rest of my exercise capacity.

Maybe I'll have to become a bodyweight exercise specialist, she said, looking for a silver lining....

I'm seriously bummed. I wanted to be a badass 'ole mama.

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Old 01-04-2008, 08:14 PM   #19
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That sucks.

Nothing wrong with being a bodyweight specialist though (I suppose I am more or less now). You'll get to love rings a whole heck of a lot as well as pistols and sprinting.
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That sucks.

Nothing wrong with being a bodyweight specialist though (I suppose I am more or less now). You'll get to love rings a whole heck of a lot as well as pistols and sprinting.
I have come to love my rings, pistols, sprinting, and jumping very much. If anything, the little barbell work I do (power cleans and snatch-grip deadlifts off a platform) is accessory work to the bodyweight stuff.
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