working clinch - Page 2

Robb Wolf · 01-02-2007, 11:45 AM

Yael-
I think you need to avoid clinch range altogether. THIS is the answer:
http://www.yellowbamboo.info/home%20page.htm

Seriously however...what type of tie-up are you tinkering with? If you have say a head&arm or single underhook you are normally looking for some kind of hip toss or leg trip. Occasionally one will go for an ankle pick from clinch, this is certainly done in free style wrestling.

I'd focus on attaining these positions:
1-single or double underhooks.
2-Side position with opponents near side arm trapped.
3-Thai clinch. Hands on occiput, elbows on clavicles.

We will be looking at all of these in future PM issues. If you can get some video of what you are doing we can offer some input on how to tinker things.

Yael Grauer · 01-02-2007, 12:21 PM

We start out with single underhooks... I'm getting better at getting double underhooks or Thai clinch and keeping my elbows in tight and hands locked--not that they can't break it but that they realize I'll keep fighting for it so hard that it's not worth their effort... Also improving at keeping a strong base. My problem is that I have no idea what the heck to do from my good, solid position.

I know like two takedowns, neither of which I can get to work (sometimes they work when we slow it down so I can get 'em and the other guy's not resisting, but then they never work the next round in real time...)

I'm kinda shy around video cameras but I'll see what I can do.

Jeremy Jones · 01-04-2007, 01:30 PM

whoa. is it just me, or am I really seeing funny colors and sized text in rob's post?

If they drop a hand to intercept the knee, throw an elbow at their jaw or temple.

Wait. . . are elbows legal? (I assumed so if knees were).

If we are talking grappling only, I like using my legs to hook and arm drags (grab arm across chest, bridge waaaay back, roll, opponent goes flying over top of you, you both end up on the ground but you are on top).

This is hard to do from a MT clinch. . . but if it is grappling only, you shouldn't be using a MT clinch.

Robb Wolf · 01-04-2007, 02:37 PM

Yea...sorry about the double post and wacky colors. I've been using google spell check (High AKP) but I fudged it up a few times.

Yael-

Jeremy is on the money...and keep in mind if folks are significantly bigger and stronger it is going to be VERY difficult to make things work. You will need PERFECT technique and that is only going to be built by slowing things down and doing them perfectly with minimal resistance...and then ratcheting the resistance up incrementally. Superior technique can win over brute strength or size up to a point but this is one of the fantasies portrayed by many MA's that secret techniques are going to overcome greater strength. That might have been true in the grappling arts at one time (Royce Vs Shamrock?) but that is not the case now that EVERYONE knows essentially the same stuff. Hence weight classes in the UFC and Pride. And yes, I know occasionally a smaller person will barnstorm the whole tournament and win the absolute class. this is the exception, not the rule!

Chuck Kechter · 01-04-2007, 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robb Wolf

We will be looking at all of these in future PM issues.

I am looking forward to this!

The PM is my "new' favorite fitness related mag...

Yael Grauer · 01-04-2007, 04:40 PM

Luckily I have swell training partners that don't go too hard but they won't just give me a technique unless I'm actually doing it right... but I was just looking for more ideas of throws to play with other than trying to get an armdrag from tie, which is pretty difficult when you're both fighting for control. Someone smart told me to look at front and side body locks, so I'll try those out too.

Jeremy Jones · 01-05-2007, 03:58 PM

I also think that one of the keys to grappling is having a diverse pool of movements to call upon. Being able to try a variety of things, changing from one to the next etc, is usually the only way to get something on an experience/larger opponent.

Mike ODonnell · 01-05-2007, 04:52 PM

This is all new to me...all I know is:
A) Drop gloves
B) Grab Jersey
C) Start Swinging
D) Drink Beer when it's over

what else would you expect from a hockey player?

Yael Grauer · 01-05-2007, 06:14 PM

And all this time I thought Jeremy and Mike were like the same guy! lol. Would love to see you two sparring.

Yeah, the more you know the more you can do esp. for me where my emphasis is just as often on letting my training partner know that they're leaving openings as it is on actually executing a perfect takedown. Though doing both is okay too.

Anton Emery · 11-11-2008, 10:34 AM

I know this is an older thread, but i figured i would reply, as i have been practicing a few takedowns lately, from a grappling only perspective.

I like the high double leg that BJ Penn shows in his MMA book. Its easier for me to get more lifting power from there than from a regular low double, though that could be lack of technique on my part.

At my school we also do it where the head rams the center of the chest as you grab behind their knees and rip their legs out from under them. I think they call it the blast double. I know it sounds kind of unsophisticated, but it works. You just need to watch the guillotine if you end up in their guard.

I think the key to all takedowns is the setup, which i am bad it. For those above i usually do them from collar/elbow clinch. A snapdown, elbow pop, or head pop all seem to work. You just gotta be fast and commit.

Nice blast double here on Coach Rut's blog.

http://coachrut.blogspot.com/2008/03...ouble-leg.html

Anton