Originally Posted by Mike ODonnell
You lost me once you went all zone language and formulas...as that is all too OCD and confusing for even the unfrozen caveman lawyer...
Remember fat burning is an all day calorie and hormonal event...as broken down in this simplistic pov post here
If you zone and it works...more power to you...otherwise....this works too:
Meat + Veggies + Fat (meals)
Meat + Carbs (pwo)
Eat whole foods only
Add in Fruit (classified as a carb) only either in AM or PWO (but keep as minimal as possible if weight loss is a goal....if you need it to keep from going into a hypoglycemic coma after a workout...then have some. As far as pwo windows and building muscle is concerned...don't worry about it, you will build plenty all day long)
The only right way is the one that gets results....and there is probably 10 different ways to do that....
Mike, thanks again for your input! I hopped onto your blog to see that this is what you've been emphasizing with some good points!
Originally Posted by Garrett Smith
I didn't like the goal of measuring and calculating macros only to ignore 2 of 3 macros in a food. If one was drinking milk, for example, which has significant contributions from all three macros, why ignore that? Also, when eating a mixed/prepared food (ie. a stew) that one didn't make from scratch, all the macros would need to be counted, as they are all there.
Right on Garrett! Haha, yes this has to be the most annoying part - It definitely can put one into OCD mode - I wouldn't want to drive towards that direction, but I would like to know how much is going in rather than "guessing..."
What I did notice is that I was having a difficult time (more based on time consumption and nailing that "anticipated gram amount") when trying to add up foods that had as you put, "significant" macronutrient contributions... Any better suggestions or reference links? I wrote back (today) on a previous post of looking at the Zone > Paleo transition... I've got most of the foods down... just tailoring it is what's needed... and as mentioned, it has to be enforced with discipline for a few weeks to see how it affects our individual body compositions....
Thanks again to everyone else who had responded to this thread... I'm glad I've been exposed to some interesting and realistic, yet manageable concepts!
Oh and one last question, ...what's the opinion of using "fat burners (yohimbine hcl) or carb shuttlers (i.e.r-alpha lipoic acid shunts glucose to muscles rather than adipose) or products with sesamin? It seems food is the best fat burner....