Lyle Mcdonald and leangains

[Mike ODonnell]

Originally Posted by Trygve Lunde

I understand what your saying, but i just want a plan that i can follow and that i know works. I know that every person is different but there are many simulair things to "perfect" nutrition. But enough healty fats, what is healthy fats? and how is enough? i want to loose fat. People say saturated fat are the best fat, some say its the worst

Monounsaturated should be the majority of fat (since really wild game is higher in MUFAs and lower in SAT fats....grain fed sick animals are higher in Sat and PUFA-Omega 6s)....sat and some PUFAs can take up the rest. As for Martin's approach, it's spelled out pretty nicely here (if you haven't read this post yet)

[Paul McKirdy]

Thanks for the link. This reads very similar to the protocol I am currently following.

[Arien Malec]

Originally Posted by Trygve Lunde

how much protein does people eat here? and what kind of fat? as Mcdonald recomends 1.5g x lb, and in the fat loss book its over 2x lb. Anyone tried high protein inntake?

I aim for 1g x lb or slightly higher. Anything more is just too damn hard to do, particularly with a low caloric intake for fat loss. A high fat, low carb diet should be protein sparing anyway.

If you are going to focus on weight loss, protein has a higher thermal effect of food so contributes to higher caloric expenditure. It also satiates better, at least for me (one can of tuna fish, and I'm done for hours). I'd guess that's the reasoning for the recommendation in the rapid fat loss approach. That book is, I believe, for people who need to lose serious weight, whereas UD2.0 and SFS are for people who are already reasonably lean (12-15% BF).

[Derek Weaver]

Arien,
The high protein recommendation may have a bit to do with the thermal effect, but my guess is that it's most likely in order to spare muscle mass during periods of intense dieting.

Trygve,
From what I've seen of your posts here and at the CF forum, you're very curious. Good thing, but eventually you'll run out of ways to investigate the perfect approach. Jump in with any nutrition plan... though UD 2.0 and Rapid Fat Loss will probably compromise your performance. Don't do anything to your diet until the off season and then try it for yourself.

In the end, the correct answer is almost always: try it, if it works... good. If it doesn't, do something else.

[Liam Dougherty Springer]

Originally Posted by Derek Weaver

Arien,

Trygve,
From what I've seen of your posts here and at the CF forum, you're very curious. Good thing, but eventually you'll run out of ways to investigate the perfect approach. Jump in with any nutrition plan... though UD 2.0 and Rapid Fat Loss will probably compromise your performance. Don't do anything to your diet until the off season and then try it for yourself.

In the end, the correct answer is almost always: try it, if it works... good. If it doesn't, do something else.

Word

[Trygve Lunde]

Thank you, right on

Originally Posted by Mike ODonnell

Monounsaturated should be the majority of fat (since really wild game is higher in MUFAs and lower in SAT fats....grain fed sick animals are higher in Sat and PUFA-Omega 6s)....sat and some PUFAs can take up the rest. As for Martin's approach, it's spelled out pretty nicely here (if you haven't read this post yet)

[Trygve Lunde]

Arien and Derek

Thank you. The reason why i ask that much is because i dont have to much room for failure since im in the middle of the season

[Arien Malec]

Originally Posted by Derek Weaver

The high protein recommendation may have a bit to do with the thermal effect, but my guess is that it's most likely in order to spare muscle mass during periods of intense dieting

The thing that doesn't fit, and the reason I made the surmise that the aim is to increase TEF and reduce appetite, is that the same recommendation isn't made for UD2.0, where the goal is reducing %bf from 12-15%, and that's the point where one is at the most risk of muscle loss.

As I said, I haven't read that particular book so I'm just surmising.

[Derek Weaver]

Arien,
Ahhh, I get it. Protein's a tricky issue. I think we're on the same page following your explanation.